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March 17, 2006

A Tyrant Deposed

Let's face it. Iraq is in chaos. On Tuesday, 85 unidentified bodies showed up in and around Baghdad. 27 more showed up since then. The strange thing is that these people were not killed in air strikes, they weren't killed in battle, they weren't even killed in any known military actions. They were executed.

15 bodies were found piled in the back of a pickup truck, 29 more were found in a shallow, roadside grave tied hand and foot and shot. The bodies show the marks of torture and execution. Bullets through the head, throats cut and strangled with razor wire. Nobody is taking responsibility.

The media is offering very little insight into the situation, maybe because there’s not much light to be shed on it. Shiites seem to be blaming Sunnis. Sunnis say it looks the work of “police commandos.” I can't even find out what party the executed belong to.

The New York Times reported this week that Iraq is on the verge of civil war. Shiites and Sunnis are slaughtering each other in ever increasing numbers. On February 22 a Shiite masque was bombed, presumably by angry Sunnis. The Shiites have been fighting back killing Sunnis in their masques, in the neighborhoods… anywhere really. Over 500 people have been killed in the aftermath of the bombings.

Meanwhile, Saddam is in on trial. Personally, I hoped that he would get into that court room and be charged with all sorts of atrocities. We all heard that he was a heinous villain, committing genocide against his own people with chemical weapons. He threw people in pools of acid until they were just skeletons. Or did he?

He’s being charged with crimes against humanity for being connected with the execution of 148 Shiite Iraqis in retaliation to an assassination attempt in 1982. 148 people…

In the last 3 years a bare minimum of 33,000 civilians have been violently killed. Let’s keep in mind that this is a very low estimate and that the BBC estimated well over 100,000 innocent people had been killed as of October 2004.

So now after spending $250 billion. (again a low estimate). Losing thousands of Americans, and killing countless Iraqis we’ve got a country slipping into a religious civil war.

What has been gained? We’ve ousted a tyrant authorized the killing of 148 people. I hoped for more.
Never mind that North Korea is sitting on its Nukes (the same ones we knew they had when we invaded Iraq. Plus some new ones…). Never mind that Osama Bin Ladan is hiding in Pakistan. Never mind that some 400,000 people have been killed and over 2 million displaced in an ongoing genocide in Sudan. We really took care of Iraq. There is one lest terrorist state in the world we have to worry about, and there’s one less tyrant still in power.

Posted by ian on March 17, 2006 12:28 AM


I don't know if the source is really trusted, but according to this poll 46% of Americans want Bush congressionally censured for getting us into Iraq and 42% want him impeached.

If that's true, that's incredible.

But still, it's not as bad as Vietnam. We have that going for us at least.

Posted by: jason on March 17, 2006 12:59 AM

Good points.

However, by limiting your consideration of Saddam to 150 people, you totally invalidated your argument.

He did a lot more than take out 150 people. Like try to kill Bush Sr (wink).

But seriously, he is responsible for a lot more than 150 dead people. You need to fully and honestly consider that, to give credence to your other (completely valid) complaints.

Posted by: jd on March 17, 2006 09:14 AM

I'm just confused about why that's all they've brought up in the war crimes trial.

Did he actually do those other things, or were they just like all of his wmds?

If he did commit genocide, why aren't they trying him for that?

Posted by: Ian on March 17, 2006 09:22 AM

Also, check out:


Again, I agree that that the war is a mess and that far, far more people have died than should be. (Is that America's fault, do you think?)

But you need to be careful that your argument is soundly constructed and that you criticize both sides equally.

Posted by: jd on March 17, 2006 09:23 AM

Very true. That trial is pretty funny, mostly thanks to his absurd theatrics.

Still, read up on what he's done... it's a very important consideration.

Maybe we'll have a repeat Slobodan?

As a sidenote, the biggest problem I have with our war in Iraq: we went into a country that didn't have any kind of organized resistance or dissenting voice. As such, we are, by definition, required to completely build such an infrastructure and cultural movement. We're not helping a people fight and rebuild, we're taking over.

It's a ridiculously hopeless task, as exemplified by the very real, looming threat of civil war. I don't think the US has been evil in the process, just incredibly stupid.

Do you think we should go into the Sudan or after Osama?

Posted by: jd on March 17, 2006 09:30 AM

I was just saying I think, given our options, Iraq was a bad choice of where to start a war.

If you're interested, here is a place where they list some of Saddam's crimes.

I'm just confused about why they are accusing him of killing 148 people if he actually did these other things.

Posted by: Ian on March 17, 2006 11:33 AM

Posted by: ian on March 17, 2006 11:34 AM

Posted by: Ian on March 17, 2006 11:34 AM

Great fucking job america. Thanks a lot.

Posted by: Iraq on March 17, 2006 12:33 PM

probably because trials require a huge amount of proof. it's the same reason that serial killers that probably killed 25 people go to jail over 1. It's only with one where the evidence is incontrovertible enought to win a convinction.

that's my unresearched, uneducated opinion on this.

Posted by: jason on March 17, 2006 01:28 PM

But what do we do now? We're IN Iraq. And we can't leave or it will fall into civil war.

This situation sucks.

Posted by: Billy Bob on March 18, 2006 03:59 PM

Look, I have more questions than answers. I'm sorry if this disappoints you...

Posted by: Ian on March 18, 2006 04:36 PM

Saddam may be executed on one charge
Knight Ridder News ^ | 10/10/5 | Nancy A. Youssef


"His first trial, along with seven co-defendants, is set to begin Oct. 19. It will weigh charges that they massacred 143 people in Dujail, a predominantly Shiite town north of Baghdad, in 1982 after a failed assassination attempt."

"Once the court is finished with the first case, Saddam will likely face another trial for allegedly committing similar crimes in other communities, mostly Shiite Muslim and Kurdish areas, the official said. Saddam is a Sunni Muslim, the minority sect predominant in Iraq during his dictatorship...."

Posted by: childish on March 19, 2006 01:45 PM

You know what? I hear this: "But what do we do now? We're IN Iraq. And we can't leave or it will fall into civil war" from politicians all of the time. It is true, but you know what else? WE SCREWED UP!!!

The situation is far worse than it was before. I would like to hear, for once, someone in power admit that we flubbed it up and then we can go from there. Most problems cannot be fixed unless they are addressed as problems.

Posted by: Collin - Band Member on March 19, 2006 03:58 PM

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