Death
I've been thinking lately about death. I know, it sounds morbid. But really, I don't think that we think about death enough.
We have a culture of death avoidance, which makes sense considering we're obsessed with youth. One of the earmarks of youth is the fable of immortality -- believing that nothing bad can never happen to you, you're superman.
But sadly, superman is now in a wheelchair.
Death is sad. I don't think you can be honest and not admit this. Even Jesus, upon seeing Lazarus dead, cried. And he was going to raise him from the dead shortly, too. But still, he wept, because Death is intrinsically sad, especially to those left behind.
Yet at the same time, I truly believe that death will be a portal into paradise for me. I love the last scene in CS Lewis' Chronicles of Narnia, where they enter True Narnia (after they all die), and they exuberantly ride further up and further in, pointing out familiar sites, but really only truly seeing them for the first time. I love how Lewis characterizes Heaven as everything that was wonderful about Earth (narnia), but more real and permanent. Sometimes my heart aches when a see what was once a beatiful forest razed to make way for shopping centers. It brings me great hope to think that in Heaven this forest will exist as it was meant to be, unspoiled and radiant.
I believe that heaven will be an incredible place. Not boring at all, no clouds and harps and sitting around with nothing to do. Where people will continue to work, to achieve, to learn, to create, but they will do so as complete people, without sin or weaknesses. Where the proper hierarchy of God and creation and humanity is finally, gloriously restored. People are worshiping what they should. Everyones' heart, mind and body in perfect alignment. Wow, I look forward to this. To reunions with loved ones, family, friends. . .
And I know the accusation. Wish fulfillment. Wishful thinking. Of course you believe in paradise, because you want a paradise. No, some will say, in fact, all that happens after death is eternal sleep, you cease to exist, you end. It's over. Poof. Your flame is extinquished. You "live on" in the memories of your loved ones. And that's it. Come on, face reality.
But you know what? The aforementioned argument is wishful thinking also. Because those people don't know anything about the afterlife, they are merely projected what they hope to be true. This is the end that they want. This is the paradise that they desire.
And honestly, lack of existence post death is pretty appealing, especially if you don't find the idea of a God who is worthy of your utter devotion very palatable. Absolved of all consequence, all pain, all suffering. Just nothingness. In many ways, it's what Hindus and Buddhists strive to achieve (very roughly speaking). It's what they suffer through centuries of atonement in order to earn. And yet, the athiest, materialistic wants me to accept as a matter of fact that it is granted to all humanity -- regardless of their behavior in life, regardless of anything. Hitler dies -- poof eternal rest. No accounting for his millions of murders. Mother Theresa dies -- poof eternal rest. No rewards for her years of selfless service to Bombay's untouchables. Jesus dies -- poof eternal rest. No rewards for his sacrifice. Stalin dies -- poof eternal rest. What's an atrocity here or there anyway. Hitler, Mother Theresa, Jesus, Stalin. . . file them all into the same cosmic file cabinet once they die. And stuff us all in there too. Nothingness.
So there we have it, my wish versus theirs. I believe that an observation of the nature of the universe backs mine up more. Actions have consequences. Things do not merely end. Matter is neither created nor destroyed. Things transfer into other states, from one stage to another. Energy is transferred. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Nowhere can you observe much evidence for anything just ending. Poof. Gone. For Good.
But my wish is built upon faith, so while I appreciate evidence, I freely admit that such evidence isn't incontrovertible and I do not fully rely on it. But the materialist, the athiest, they claim they do value evidence above all else. But what evidence do they have to back up their wish, which is equally built upon faith, just one of a different flavor? I don't think I've seen any. At least none that is very convincing.
So I'll take my charming faith, and temper it with just enough reason to make it strong. They can take their dreary logic, and pretend that it isn't dependant on a shaky faith. In the end, if they're right, it won't matter because I won't care because I won't exist to care. If I'm right. . . that's God's business, not mine. But really, we should all think about death a little more.

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"So I'll take my charming faith, and temper it with just enough reason to make it strong. They can take their dreary logic..."
More word patterns to read today, eh Gimpy? "Serious wordsies today, hopefully none strong enough to kill me!" Not to worry, the house is still divided against itself. For the Logos/Word is still put second and well nigh surrendered in all these words while the body and feelings are put first in the patterns. What happens when the body finally smothers the mind? Is it not death? Is that what the mind is sensing? And what is life but the sense of the sensuous, the essence of existence? Then, let us live this existence! Should we want to die and smother this sense? If we begin to do so we will be always seeking but never finding. It is the unbearable likeness of being. Besides, who wants to listen to the sensuous say, "Hit me baby one more time!" as it knows something is slowly dying.
"Ah, signs and wonders! You crushed Limpy but I did not think you were so powerful as that!"
I suppose, wringing some depth out of Britney Spears is a wonder, indeed. I like other poets who actually have some depth. At any rate, it is easy to make fun about what happens given the sense of the humors being put backwards. Every mind that has a sense of humor gets it, you see. Okay, perhaps some do not get it and lag behind just a bit...but great fun can be made setting it right. It is good to have fun and you have to make fun, to have it, after all.
"Making fun! But that just doesn't sound nice!"
If you don't have fun then that's not nice. So it seems making fun is truly nice. You see, once it is made, then you can have it, which is nice! "Sigh...you just want to be a wise guy about everything...can I have the fun once you make it?" Why certainly Gimpy, you see, I'm a truly nice guy so I will make some fun for you this day that is truly nice. So let me tell you a story.
There once was a group of mental retards who put the body before the mind. This retards the mind. That is why they were mental retards, after all. There was also a doctor running an asylum. Now this doctor had treated thousands of mental patients, some got better, some got a little better and unfortunately a few stayed pretty much the same. One day, the group of mental retards were placed in his clinic. After some study he checked their charts. The first said, "Symptom: repeated light banging of head against wall." Hmmm, he noticed that the fingers of this patient were tapping. Also, the nurses all seemed to want to care for this patient. They seemed quite eager to, in fact. The doctor scribbled something down about this. He checked the next patient, "Symptom: Check my forehead." He looked and there across the patient's forehead were the words, "I am a mental retard." Hmmm, the doctor thought, something about this just doesn't make sense! So he shook the patient's bed and clapped in his ears. At this, the patient got up and said, "Geez man, I'm a man of science trying to see things from the side of mental retards!" The doctor replied, "Oh, sorry. I'm a man of science too. I didn't know! Well, perhaps you could try some other hospital and continue your studies on the matter." The patient said, "Oh, I will. It's tough trying to see things from the side of mental retards though, especially given that everyone assumes you are one." The doctor replied, "Yes, it is not a sacrifice I have made for the sake of science, I must admit. But go now, in the interest of science so that we might cure more mental retards." The doctor went to the next patient, "Symptom: We can't tell. Seems like a nice mental retard though." And the last, "Symptom: Cannot speak words in their correct order and meaning, all is jibberish." The doctor got suspicious and said to the last, "I see, you're a mental retard!" At this, the last said, "No, I am not!" And the nice retard said, "It wasn't nice to call him that!" The doctor said, "Ah ha! Speaking correctly now, are you? So you're not really mental retards at all!" At that the last said, "Yeah, we were just here for the free food, man. But you know, that just wasn't nice." and they left. The doctor said, "What is that infernal tapping!" Then he looked back to the last one left and the nurses crowding around trying to tend to him. The doctor scribbled something else down. He thought to himself, "Hmmm.....maybe he isn't a mental retard either."
"So what did he scribble down??"
Gimpy, you need not worry about it. "But I want to know!" Well, it actually has to do with the one you cannot speak of. "What?!" So it's something you can't know, so to speak. "Hmmm...."
Later.
Jason,
I've been reading some of your comments, and I was just wondering: what IS your Christian faith based upon? And do you really think this faith is the only truth out there? I don't want generalities....give me particulars, like whether or not you think that people who don't believe in Jesus or whatever go to hell, or if hell even exists.
"They can take their dreary logic, and pretend that it isn't dependant on a shaky faith. In the end, if they're right, it won't matter because I won't care because I won't exist to care. If I'm right. . . that's God's business, not mine."
oops......nevermind. Obviously, you consider the possiblity that athiests could be right. I'm guessing you want to be safe by believing that other stuff. Fine by me. As long as you're not saying that atheists are going to hell if it does actually exsist. That seems just a little harsh, don't you think? I mean, going to hell just cuz you believe that there isn't anything after death.
I guess I should give you a name of some sort so if I post in the future you have a reference point.
~B.
I'm not saying anyone is going to hell. That is not my business. I mean that literally -- it's not a realm over which I have any control. No human being ever makes that determination.
I don't truly know the condition of another person's heart. I have hints, I can be pretty sure, but really when it comes down to it you are not going to have me say definitively if someone is in hell. The Christian scriptures give very little insight into the moment of death and entrance into heaven -- except to tell us how we can be assured that personally we can make it into heaven.
It's between any one person and God.
I've taken such matters between myself and God seriously, and I can say definitively that I am going to heaven, and then eventually will live on the new heaven and the new earth for eternity. I'm not believing this just to play it safe (such hedging of bets wouldn't be genuine faith, of course).
I'm believing this because I have a relationship with the savior, Jesus of Nazareth, and this is a gift of his. This relationship is a reality in my life, not words on a page or creeds gleaned from cathechism books. I personally have 4 moments in my life, experiences with my savior that are as real as any moments I've had with anyone.
I also have over time developed an intellectual framework which points towards a Christian theology, which I find completely intellectually satisfying. Finally, the world around me, the design of nature, the nature of man and morality, the hints of and longing for something my, etc, all point me to a personal God.
I'll post more when time allows, but here's a short answer to your excellent questions.
As for hell even existing, well I do believe that "seperation from God" exists, and that is my definition of hell. Whether this means it's a physical "place" where people are tortured, or an eventually state of non-existence I have purposely not become dogmatic about. Again, I think it is God's business not mine. The scriptures are not definitive about this, so I will not be either. A long of damage can be done when humans are dogmatic about matters which God did not reveal to us.
Though I have no bullet proof belief about hell, I do have my own ideas (which I freely admit could be wrong, but they could also be true).
I lean towards it being a two stage process. The first stage being a place where natural consequences are visited upon a person for their wrongs during life. This is because the first stage of "seperation from God" would include them seperating themselves from any grace God extended them while on earth, "where the rain falls on both the righteous and unrighteous." Also, the just nature of the universe demands that justice must be done, and for people who consciously choose to reject Christ's substitute, then they must bear the weight of their own wrongdoings.
Once all wrongs have been equally dealt with, I then believe that the second phase of hell sets in, and the final seperation from God. Since one of God's essential attributes in necessary existence, and I believe that everything exists because of its dependance on God, the final severance of dependance on God would bring about non-existence. Kind of like if you depended on a certain pipe for water in your house and you severed that pipe -- you'd be without water. In the same way, I think you'd be without existence. The interesting thing here is, of course, that the athiest's desired afterlife and my "hell" are the same thing -- non-existence. So maybe God in his inifite wisdom has created a way where both the saved and the damned get what they want? I've read before that in the end, people spend eternity exactly where they want to spend eternity. I would hope and pray that all would want to spend it with God. But maybe some people just desire something else.
Again, I want to make it clear -- this is solely the realm of the divine, not mine, so I'm only musing here.
Jason,
Well....thanks for trying to explain things to me, but you seem to have more questions than answers.
"I do have my own ideas (which I freely admit could be wrong, but they could also be true)."
I mean, if you want to convince somebody of this Christianity stuff I would suggest you make it clear if you think it's truth or not...
On what are you basing that whole thing about your idea of hell?
I guess I''m confused cuz I've had lots of conversations about this with Christians, and I've never heard your 'idea' before...what about 1 Thess. where it says, "They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presense of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on the day he comes to to be glorified..."
"The scriptures are not definitive about this, so I will not be either."
If you believe in the Bible (by the way, do you?) then you've obviously skipped over this part for convenience or sumthin. Sounds to me like this hell the bible speeks of is pretty darn eternal and pretty darn physical.
Come on man, what are you basing this on really? Your own 'personal' belief? Your confusing me. Is your idea of truth based on something touchable like God's revelation through the Bible, or is it just based on what you deem to be true?
Ok...enough for now, I'm frying my brain.
~B.
"everlasting destruction" is destruction that lasts for ever. Eternal non-existence. If I destroy someting, it ceases to exist, except for in memory. This is exactly what I'm talking about, this is one of the verses that lends the support to non-existence. . .
The essentials of Christianity are that God incarnated in the form of the Son, Jesus Christ, who was fully God and fully man, who died to save us and give us everlasting life. That I am saved by his grace, by his gift to me. That he died but was then resurrected and lives still today, and that the Word of God is revealed to us and is inerrant. I believe all of these and will be happy to try to convince you of them if that is what you wish. On hell, I am not so definitive. I submit it could be a physical place of eternal torment. But I am not sure of this. Nor do I need to be, either to enjoy my relationship with my savior or introduce others to him. . . Sorry I don't have all my "ducks in a row."
jason-
well said. very well said. you take a very firm stand yet do not claim to be the ultimate authority- instead point to the one that IS- God.
i wonder, has B ever talked to a nonchristian? witnessed to 'em? true witnessing is not power-tripping, (although it contains Absolute Truth), and your discussion would be right at home with many excellent conversations i have had with non-christians.
~ jd
JD....
I agree with the first half of your post but what does witnessing to a non-christian have to do with ~B talking to Jason? Jason is already a Christian so I don't think ~B has to talk to him like he's not.
"You take a very firm stand...."
On musings and disordered ducks that are not in a row? There is no problem with musings certainly but to be accurate, he was not taking a stand on something firm as he said. Before people begin to disagree just to disagree over nothing. There are questions, questions, questions, in the art. All is questions and doubts. Toying with, "Did God really say?" But then, an answer is given in one song, "You can kneel and testify, spread the Word. But there is blood on all our hands." Is there? Why is the cure said to be useless or part of the dis-ease? I have devoted a lot of time to writing and spreading the Word. Besides trying to deal with why that pattern is there for some time now, which is an important issue. This is what I fight, the words and such a pattern of thought. It's not just that the Truth does not walk in these words but that the anti-Truth slithers in such patterns. It is one thing to merely lack clarity and Truth. It is another to be anti-Truth.
Who can answer?
As I've said before "you can kneel and testify, but there's blood on all our hands" is about (1)hypocrites who I have personally known in my life who I saw in chapel testifying about the wonders of Christian purity, yet did whatever they wanted on the weekend, (2)about the Swaggarts and the Bakers who so damaged the Church by very publicly kneeling and testifying while not taking care of the sin in their heartsm and (3) about the many members of all kinds of religions around the world who do horrible things in the name of God.
It's a song about hypocrisy, about needing to test your own heart first. That particular line is about manmade false religion. . . . There IS blood on all humanity's hands, if I didn't believe so why would we need grace? I believe in original sin. The blood of Christ is on my hand. This is both horrible in that I am responsible, but wonderful in that I am made clean and pure at the same time, for I am "washed in the blood of the Lamb."
I would hope there is blood your hands as well. I know there is the blood of sin. I hope the blood of redemption is there.
Since I've explained this before, I either have to assume you are forgetful, or purposely twisting the meaning?? There might be another explanation, I suppose. I'm sure you'll come up with one.
The response of an author who is really of the Word when it is pointed out that the meaning of their words contain a false message, for whatever mistaken reason, is not to empty words of meaning by "intent." Any author can say they don't really mean what they say, "Well, at the time I had to go to the bathroom and so my words don't mean what they say." Etc.
Look at your own words again. Test them in your mind/soul.
Each of us, as authors of words we are working at cross-purposes, so to speak. I try to open minds that are closed to the Word, while your words consistently try to close them. This is the pattern your anti-word words walk. If you words have no real meaning other than some intent that only you can know, then don't write them. Words do have meaning and even here, your words cannot be trusted since you say that intent defines them. So they really might mean something else entirely.
The anti-Word will not be able to slither away into some absurdity about intents, when defeated as far as real meaning the pattern is to simply words of meaning. It is the disenchantment about how words do not "really" mean what they say. "Did God really say?" Is unsuccessful. "Well, I'm not really saying what I'm saying anyway."
Etc. Your words say what they say and bear their message. And it should be noted that it is not the response of a creature of the Word to point to their own intents rather than what words really say. If words point only to an author's own intents then how can they ever point to the Word?
They cannot do what they are really inteded to do. And that is ultimately the purpose of the anti-Word, in all its forms. I am merciless in crushing it.
"...purposely twisting the meaning??"
Nope.
;-)
I put a little smiley there because of the irony. But I feel bad for you, I really do.
When words begin to have no meaning but what you subjectively make of them. That is insanity itself. For words are thoughts and the mind must be defined by the Word or it is being lost. Thought/word is the sense of the sensuous that is being lost.
I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him. . .
There is nothing more for you to say, I suppose.
The parable of the laser eyed prophet...
One day, there was a group of guys and a laser eyed prophet. The laser eyed prophet came up to them and cut apart one of them! Then the prophet said, I speak the WORD of the Lord! They all were greatly frightened. But they did not believe his words. Instead one said, "So, where did you get the laser eyes, are you an alien? Where is the UFO?" Another said, "I bet it is a secret government project! It is top secret, from the military or somethin'!" One replied, "My guess is he was abducted by aliens and they did it!" Then they said, "Tell us, tell us about the laser eyes!"
For you see, some will seek to avoid and believe virtually anything other than the WORD of the Lord.
;-) But all who have been given eyes to see, well, of course they will be the ones to see! These are the ones I speak to.
I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him. . .
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