Stargazing
Tonight my wife and I got my sister to babysit while the kids were sleeping and had a wonderful time watching the stars. We saw 3 shooting stars. Laying next to the love of your life, taking in the beautiful sky that is above us every night but rarely enjoyed as much as it should be. . . it's as if God is whispering in your ear. Very comforting. Very right.
Darby said exactly the things I needed to hear tonight. Situations aren't so easy these days, things have been stressful. Our mortgage broker got all screwed up, pushing settlement on the new house back 2 full days, angering everyone involved (and the anger was directed at us). I'm leaving a lot of great friends at my job, my last day rapidly approaching, a transition that is harder then I anticipated. And Darby provided the exact comfort I needed with her loving words. What a gift. Treasure small miracles, and then God will know he's not wasting the large miracles on you. (quote alert!)
I'm going to write a song about stargazing. It's a wonderful thing to do.
SIDE NOTE: There are some on the board who are attempting to "crush my thought patterns" (according to them), yet don't care enough to actually email me directly or introduce themselves in person when afforded the opportunity. I've tried discussing, defending, explaining, finding a meeting of the minds, only to be met with esculating curses. So obviously I've been going about this the wrong way. After prayer, I've decided that the only way I should respond to their comments from now on is with a blessing. And this is it:
I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him. . .
120 Comments:
Jason -- you've taught me so much. You will be greatly missed at work. Sometimes our days seemed like a scene from "Office Space" but somehow, you always made us laugh. It's too bad that some people choose not to get to know you better even after your invitation to do so. They are truly missing out. If we were to award superlatives to people at work, here would be the categories you would sweep:
-Most likely to Inspire Others
-Most Likely to Suceed at Multiple Careers Simultaneously
-Most Passionate about his Family
-Most Artistic
-Most Popular
-Messiest Cubicle (a sure sign of a brilliant artist)
-Most likely to wear mismatched socks (and not by accident)
Those are just a few....
Keep doing what you're doing Jason!
How about this weather tonight!
Man...I wish I had known it was supposed to be so clear out last night or I would have gone outside and looked at the beautiful twinklies too. It's been so muggy lately!! :( What a beautiful day God gave us today!
I just wanted to give you a word of encouragement from the Book...
"'For I know the plans for you,' declares the Lords, 'plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.'"
Hope this helps lift you up! :)
~B.
"...yet don't care enough to actually email me directly or introduce themselves in person when afforded the opportunity."
There are some who take words of wisdom and make subtle changes to them. It makes no sense to give them more words to look wise in in their friends eyes, etc.
The best way to read a man's mind, is to read his words. But the best way for a man to hide his soul from others is by his own charisma, "feelings."
"If I could just meet him physically instead of dealing with spirit/thoughts/words, then everything would be okay..." Etc.
Look to His story, a man of charisma can lead many, many people astray. But if you look at his words and read his mind, there is another story in his own soul entirely. It is all there first and the rest is just manifestation of it. His security is not in the Word, so he needs followers based on charisma and so on. If this is poked a little and when you use your prophetic/poetic voice, something of your own soul cries out, "I'm sorry." "Blasphemy!" And so on. And so, you must gather your friends and the favor of men about you to protect from the Truth that walks in words, justice and the prophets. I did no more than take you at your own words. You do not like the answers that the Spirit/Word gives. All the while you say you are looking for them. You have had so very many chances and yet you still try to talk to the hand.
There is probably nothing more you can say. Any battle of ideas/words is spiritual. The spiritual is not the physical. It is that simple. It manifests out in the physical after the spiritual battle is won or lost. Hitler called this the battle of the "pen pushers" and he manifested out what was a lost spiritual battle. But there were some noble fighters who fought it!
And so, will you make proto-fascism complete in fascism as you want to?
I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him. . .
Bri--
Thanks so much, it means a lot to hear you say all those things. You're one of the best things about work, and definitely one of the things I'll miss the most (oh man, I just accidently called you a thing. . . sorry). We have to make sure to all continue to get together on some kind of regular basis!
Thanks B. I try to pay attention to when the nights will be clear so if I know in advance I'll post it here so others can see the heavens declare the glory of God.
Now on the side note that Jason posted,
"There are some on the board who are attempting to 'crush my thought patterns'"
Please do not take questions or "attacks" about your thought patterns as an attack on you personally rather than on the pattern itself.
"yet don't care enough to actually email me directly or introduce themselves in person when afforded the opportunity."
Writing is often a much better tool in understanding what a person believes rather than talking in person, especially in debating or discussing issues. It is good to write things out because meanings cannot be changed later and there is a record of what was said/not said. Also, I like to reread what I have written before I post to make sure I wrote what I meant to say. I am curious as to why you would like to talk to the debators in person. You have never expressed the desire to meet the debators that agree with what you say...or maybe they already know you.
"So obviously I've been going about this the wrong way. After prayer, I've decided that the only way I should respond to their comments from now on is with a blessing."
Thank you for the verse it is a very good one! :) However, I do not see the purpose of debating in this manner between Christian brothers or sisters. Giving a debator the silent treatment or ignoring what they say is not productive and is a sign of immaturity (i.e. a husband and wife giving each other the silent treatment if they do not agree about something instead of talking it through). I am not attempting to attack you personally with what I say and I am sorry if I have ever hurt you with my words or given you cause to be hurt. Instead, I seek to sharpen your iron. :) Which could hurt a little if it needs sharpening, I know that I have experienced the pain of being sharpened many times and will continue to experience this until God sees fit to call me to my real home with Him. Because our iron will never cease to require sharpening until that day.
I hope that this clarifies some things...and I sincerely hope that we can begin to debate productively.
~Bertie (~B.)
"I do not cease to give thanks for you"
Well, where Paul wrote that, read the sentence before, "...ever since I heard about your faith in the Lord Jesus and your love for all the saints"
Paul was being honest in his words and telling the Ephesians why he is so thankful for them.
Quite frankly, I do not believe you mean a word of what you wrote. It is scripture, yes, but you are just using it as a wall.
***If not, tell me, please, in what ways are you thankful for Mynym?
Please refrain on arguments instead of answering the question, because that will just prove more that your words are not true. Certainly from the Bible, but certainly not from your own heart.
last comment was from N, not B, hehe. just to clear any possible confusion.
I thank God for Mynym because God is using this situation to teach me more.
I thank God for Mynym because he has a strong intellect and sense of humor.
I thank God for Mynym because he's obviously a good enough brother for his sister to adore him, which is a wonderful thing.
I thank God for Mynym because he is a human being created in the image of the Almighty.
I thank God for Mynym because God loves him enough to lay His own life down so that Mynym can be with Him for eternity.
I take the verse to bless those who curse you seriously. I didn't take it lightly -- I searched and searched for just the right one -- one that I could quote in honesty and bless at the same time.
"There is a time for everything," now is the time for blessing. Eventually it will be the time for silence. Christ, when accused, remained silent. I'm not saying that I'm Christ, but I do attempt to follow his lead. I will be blessing for some time, and then I will remain silent all together.
Jason,
I am impressed that you took the time to answer N's question. Please consider what I wrote also...I would like to know what you think.
"Christ, when accused, remained silent."
I was wondering if, and hoping that you would not use Jesus as the example you are following in this instance. It just does not make any sense Jason. Christ did not answer accusations against Himself because He was perfect; He did not need to...I know that you do not claim to be perfect, you have said this many times. He also was silent because it was necessary that He fulfill prophesy and be crucified for our sins. You are not in the position that Jesus was in right now at this time. You are in the position right now of, because of Jesus' sacrifice, having the Truth revealed in your heart by the work of the Holy Spirit. Now you have the God-given ability of using those Words to learn more about Him.
Do not choose the route of silence because you have been called and given the ability to proclaim the Truth in every aspect of life. But it is your call...
~Bertie
Bertie, if you'd like to debate my email is jason@thelookmachine.com . . . I like to meet everyone, whether they agree with me or disagree. I too enjoy writing, but it good to know the person you are writing.
It's not meant tot be the silent treatment at all. It's merely coming to the realization that for certain people a line has been crossed and it's moved from discussion to a parade of curses. Debate, explanation, all that, that time is over. It's actually an act of discipline on my part to not continue the debate, but now is the time for a parade of blessings alone. Certain minds and opinions are quite obviously already set about me, so maybe blessings and prayers can change that? That is my hope. But either way, it's a commandment to bless those who curse you, and I'm going to respect that. Actually, it is either you or N who reminded me that it shouldn't be the approval of men that I should be seeking in these discussions (in this case Mynym), which I had sought. But God's approval. And God wants curses returned with blessings, not defense and debate.
About the example of Christ, you make some very good points. Of course, I believe that I am innocent too of these accusations being made against me. So for me, it does seem to apply to my situation. But I will consider your other points as well, and I appreciate you making them.
Jason,
I really appreicate your openness in your last few posts. I, personally think that meeting eachother is a good idea- I think, as long as hearts were open, some of the people might be surprized that they actually like eachother. Now liking doesn't mean agreeing with- some of my best friends I love to death but I would argue to the bitter end about some things that I think are wrong that she believes. But you see thats what true friendship is too, loving despite disagreement, being able to be honest with eachother and challenge eachother. (not calling us friends here, but if we are all followers in Christ, we are bothers which is a bigger bond than friendship, like it or not!) Pleasing God IS most important, and it pleases him when we seek out what HE wants, not what I want-even when it comes to his word. It is important to always be reevaluating what we know through scripture when a question arrises. There have been times when I heard something or read something and thought, "Now that just can't be true that's rediculous!" So I researched the scriptures and often times I realise there's no way around it but to believe that is IS true. For though I may err, scripture is God-breathed. (and has err ever come from the mouth of God?) And no matter what I thought of it before, the truth, as it is said, will set you free. And this statement has never ceased to been true for me. I think what Mynym is trying to do here is hold a standard of truth. What were the diciples teaching for, writing for? Ask Luke! For truth! For certainty! Luke wrote in the very begining of Luke 1 that he wrote, "so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught." There's nothing to fear in being certain, unless of course you fear freedom.
N
haha, sorry we are bonded as BROTHERS not as bothers.. :o)
N
"I, personally think that meeting each other is a good idea- I think, as long as hearts were open, some of the people might be surprized that they actually like each other."
I tried to think of a person I have met that I have not liked. Besides a few wierdo guys that have asked for my phone number (lol!) I couldn't think of any...I'm sure that I would like Jason. What's not to like? But that is beside the point. Knowing a person's philosophies does not require meeting them in person. Debating does not require knowing a person personally. I am still confused as to why this would be necessary in order to continue debate...
I have not been able to stop thinking about this because...well, I just want to know, Jason are you hurt about what has been said because your iron is being tested and sharpened, or have you seriously been cursed? What do you mean by cursed? If you have been cursed, please confront mynym with exactly what he has said so that your relationship on the blog as Christian brothers can be restored. You both have the Holy Spirit in you...the Holy Spirit does not lie and so you guys should be able to work this out. But this will take some dialogue. If you truly want to love each other as brothers in Christ, please think about what you are doing...this is a serious thing if you decide to break a relationship. I am talking to both mynym and Jason.
Jason, have I ever cursed you? I'm sorry if I have, please bring it to my attention. I am not going to debate with you over email. I would like to debate with other people as well, not just you. By the way, where is everybody? I got on this blog to discuss with everyone, not just you.
Let me explain though, I might be a little harder on you when I debate because you are the leader of this band and with the leadership role comes much responsibility...I'm sure you know this. There are people watching how you will handle certain situations and people who obviously look up to you, just like there are people who look up to mynym. So mynym and Jason, please handle yourselves in a manner worthy of Christ.
Please discuss where you both have gone wrong and make up...you should be able to do this since you both have God's Holy Spirit in you. Silence will not solve the problem.
All right, I'm out of here...
~Bertie
"I take the verse to bless those who curse you seriously."
Bless the people of the Garden, these little gardeners. Be nice to them in the physical realm, for your battle is not against flesh and blood. Curse the spiritual essence of evil for it is cursed. Hate what is evil, cling to what is good. What does not want sweet justice rained down upon its sorry head? What wants only mercy but no judgment upon its head? What wants to go back to the gates of heaven to what once was but for there to be no hell? What is it that you seek to throw your body/person in front of, as a living sacrifice to protect it?
"Eventually it will be the time for silence. Christ, when accused, remained silent."
The weak one only wishs that is what happened. He rose up and laughed in the face of Satan! I laugh at the weak ones. He laughed with a laugh of THUNDER and BOOM, set it off. The Word that would not be silenced changed everything and built civilization as we know it! Those who are given ears, hear. Those who are deaf can just feeeeel its shaking and piss their pants for all I care. Their so-called "minds" are just excrement. It is sad, this sickness of the soul but you can't let it sicken you too. Let the dead ones bury their dead, in the excrement of their insane feelings.
One prophet/poet says,
"I have questions....I'm sorry." Simper, snivel, I am a weak one, am I. So weak, am I. I feel I'll just go off and cry or look to the sky. Maybe it has the "answer," as Nazis thought.
The other shouts back to the weak one,
"I am the messenjah!
You can bet your life on my words and everything I said.
You can't take away my love for this sacrifice....The word of life came alive in these scriptures, I read it."
It came alive! But the merely nice, the weak, coo to each other, "Oh, it's okay. It is no big deal, enjoy are so-called life that feels like death." Life is no "big" deal?!
The prophet/poet says,
"Take down the regimen, break the trend. Rushed by your peers and your so-called friends. Keep your peoples tight, watch your enemies close.
Trust what you know, soon enough they'll choke."
And the enemies do choke, they cannot stand! And then, they just cannot stand it. So I laugh in their face. Jesus wept? Jesus laughs in the weak one's face and then crushes his idiotic essence/skull.
Know this, my prophetic friend, to the person, to the man...pray that your prophecy does not come true. If the youth of the nation do become fanatics then there will be blood on all their hands, indeed. You are the first poet I have seen to prophecy this. But perhaps there are others too. Pray and hope for your "sorry" soul and your children and your children's children that the essence of evil that you speak of does not become manifest again. There is something to "really" pray for, to really think, to really say. But you can pray for me personally, as you wish. Lift your eyes UP from your sorry soul, man! If you have eyes to see you have much to see.
"And laugh not at my forebodings, the advice of a dreamer who warns you away....from our philosophers of Nature. No, laugh not at the visionary who knows that in
the realm of phenomena comes soon the revolution that has already taken place in the realm of spirit. For thought goes before deed as lightning thunder....There will be played in Germany a play compared to which the French revolution was but an innocent idyll."
(H. Heine. The Works of Heinrich Heine. vol. V (London:
William Heinemann. 1892) :207-9)
If someone says, "What happened in Germany?" Oh well, if you have "questions"...then question honestly. If you want to make everything "really" questionable then expect to get your pattern of thought crushed, again, again, again. It is fun, the sense of life! It is not the Word who hurts your feelings when it happens, either. Justice is just as sweet as mercy.
The weak youth of the nation have not even seen a real prophetic "rant" against their sin. Yet they feeeel they can pass judgment on such things.
"...(a sure sign of a brilliant artist)..."
I would not deny that.
Nothing you said says that he's a man of the Word, though. That is what matters. Without the Word there is no man, for the Word is the Man.
Oh the humanity...of those who are human, all too human. Without the Word they are just animals, wallowing in their own excrement as they slowly lose their soul/mind and go insane. It is a sad thing indeed. Yet one must retain the sense of life, cling to the Truth that walks in words. Who will save them?
Is your mind beginning to open UP, Jason?
I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him. . .
I am sad and dissapointed that you will not respond, Silent One. Have I offended you to deserve such treatment? I guess there is nothing more to be said...I guess I'm giving up now. :( Or if you just need to give what was said more thinking time and haven't responded for that reason, then please let me know. Otherwise, read on:
It is sad that you have proven mynym right. Since you do not agree with what we say, you are ignoring us completely. I do not buy your reasons for being silent. This is a ploy to get us off of your weblog, and it is working, sadly. Do you even know the history of this kind of attack? Because it is an attack and has been used through the ages very effectively, you aren't the first. I was hoping that your mind would be opened to what a real debate consists of. Oh well. Whatever happened to free speech?? If you want the people who post on your blog to agree (or mostly agree) with the things you say, even if they think these ideas are wrong, then please put that somewhere on your website so that future bloggers seeking discussion will not waste their breath.
Jason, please think about what you are doing HARD. Do not let pride or "being right" get in the way of Truth. It's a pattern I am noticing with you and one that you will have to overcome in order to be more effective for Christ. This comes from a sister who is concerned about how the image of Christ is brought to others. You obviously have the gift of leadership, use it wisely.
In Christ,
~Bertie
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Bertie --
I'm not ignoring anyone. I'm blessing mynym and I've been talking to you and N. I do not believe that you have cursed me, not at all. Neither has N. i do believe that mynym has, and continues to. I'd rather not get into reiterating the curses. One can go back and read them again if one wishes. Perhaps some will disagree with me that they are curses. Either way, mynym gets blessed, which certainly cannot be bad, right?
He thinks himself justified doing so, I disagree. If mynym wants to have a relationship (not restore one), he knows my email address.
That's not what he desires, he desires to set straight what he declares are extremely false patterns of thought in me. I do not agree with his critiques, we are utterly at odds. So much at odds that debate has degenerated into basically, "Yes." "No." "YES" "NOOO!!!!" "Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes" "No." Not many find that interesting or profitable.
Bertie, I don't like disappointing you, but one can't only do what they like. I will continue to only bless mynym. No debate and no defense. This is the way I will proceed.
Basic guideline? Ask me to come up with things that one can be thankful for mynym. . . I'll respond. Those are blessings. . .Accuse me of having Nazi like thought patterns? I'll remain silent. I know this is not true. God knows this is not true. And I can't in my own power convince mynym it is not true.
Imagine a hornet intent on stinging you, would you try to talk it out of it. . . that would be foolishness, right? The hornet believes what it believes, knows what it wants. It believe it's defending something very important, and believes you are a threat that needs to be taken care of. I understand where the hornet is coming from. But I don't need to stand there and be stung.
There once was man who went from pigpen to pigpen, looking for prodigal sons to call forth from their wretched state. For he was once such a son. The sons were sorry souls that sat in their own excrement because they had forgotten what they once were. They had forgotten their fathers and the love of their fathers. The man who went from pigpen to pigpen could not see who was or was not such a son, for he was blind. All he knew was to walk the path and call forth. He tapped along the path and went from pigpen to pigpen, calling forth the good news to the lost sons. He did this so that they might remember what once was. So that what once was lost could be found! For when through the putrid stench of the pen a son did remember his father and he got up from it, it was a joyful day indeed! Such a son still carried the putrid stench for a bit, though. And as he walked back to his father's house he might yet slip and fall in the mud. It was a journey but they would be joyful on the path for they knew the path now. It would take some a bit of time to get the stench of the pen off.
One day, the blind man came to a pigpen and called forth the words, the essence of the message. And he called it again. But all he heard in response were some swine, that whined and squealed for the putrid garbage they had always been fed that would suit their swinish hunger for garbage. So he walked over to the garbage pail and almost dumped some of the stinking trash into the trough for these swine that so whined for it. But then he thought, "Well, the butcher who will eat these swine my as well do this. They are his filthy pigs. He is the one who is going to eat them. So I'm not going to feed them this garbage just so they quit whining at me." Then the blind man thought, "Hmmm, I'll throw some of the pearls I have in my pail that the father has given me. I will do it just to make sure that there are no pathetic sorry sons here who cannot remember the riches they once had...such shattered remains of who they once were waiting to be called forth from their mind. For it seems that some have great difficulty in remembering after living in this stench for so long."
Knowing all these things the blind man threw out pearls from his pail before the swine, that whined. The swine that whined kept doing so and the blind man threw pearls at one that whined loudly. This scared
the swine that whined for the putrid garbage it had always been fed. So it ran to a corner of the pigpen and tried to hide behind a pearl. The blind man could hear it eating its own excrement. But he also
heard some sons who were on the path back to their fathers. They stopped by pigpens and called forth other sons with their great news. And since he could hear them picking up pearls to show to other
sons the blind man thought, "Eh, my as well keep throwing them here for now. It's as good as any other pigpen. It seems that all the butcher's pigpens have the swines that whine and a few sons that have
hears to hear too." It was only the sons who would see and hear. The swine would just whine or try to hide in their own filth.
"Accuse me of having Nazi like thought patterns? I'll remain silent. I know this is not true. God knows this is not true."
Do you know what a Nazi like thought pattern looks like? Do you know what the essence of evil looks like? If you do, then speak it forth. If you know it, write it. Back up your claim about the Logos.
MyNym --
I am just confused about something. Back when the lyrics to All our Hands were originally posted, you said,
"But at any rate, if an author says a song isn't intended to promote moral equivalency then it isn't intended to. And besides, poetry has to be imprecise so it's not much use trying to get at precise objective meaning. It's all good. I'm glad you explained the intended meaning. I think it's a good one and a pretty good song too. It has some depth to it."
Now you're saying the same song is blasphemous? Can you explain? And if you say that words mean exactly what they mean and nothing else (even if Jason intended something else), wouldn't that mean that Jason just had actual blood on his hands, like maybe he had a nose bleed. . .or cut himself on a piece of glass? That's what the exact meaning of the words would mean, anything else would be a metaphor.
-- T
Well, that was supposadely my last post I would write, but since you answered me I have to reply. :) And I am glad to reply because at least you have proven me wrong about ignoring me! I still adamantly disagree with you ignoring mynym. I do not find it biblical...but I guess that is beside the point now because you are obviously set on not talking to him. My goal now is to find whether mynym has really cursed you.
"i do believe that mynym has, and continues to. I'd rather not get into reiterating the curses. One can go back and read them again if one wishes."
The reason I asked you to explicitly write down these curses is because I did go back and search mynyms words for possible curses. I myself could not find anything and was wondering whether our defanition of curses differ.
Main Entry: curse
Pronunciation: 'k&rs
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English curs, from Old English
1 : a prayer or invocation for harm or injury to come upon one : IMPRECATION
2 : something that is cursed or accursed
3 : evil or misfortune that comes as if in response to imprecation or as retribution
4 : a cause of great harm or misfortune : TORMENT
I could not find anything pertaining to 'curse' in mynyms words. Please enlighten me on mynym's exact words which indicate a curse.
~Bertie
Finally!! Someone who is interested in discussing a messenger's words instead of the messenger. Bravo for someone who knows what a real debate is about. Yay for T.
~Bertie
"It's all good. I'm glad you explained the intended meaning. I think it's a good one and a pretty good song too. It has some depth to it."
I was trying hard to be nice then, I suppose. Be too nice and you wind up lying, it seems. But I thought about it and the union between philosophy and art, language and deed, thought and word. I wish I could say it's "all good" and be nice. That's what I wanted to do. But all is not good. One might say, "Well, taken as a whole this artist is speaking forth an accurate prophecy to the youth of the nation." After all, they are headed towards fanaticism, having blood on their hands, etc. But there lies the difference between the false and the true prophet. One just passively accepts it and the other calls out against it.
Also, I can't remember but typically pressure against a person's personal identity is brought to bear to wring out agreement. I think that probably happened there. One just gives up eventually... I do not know if you have noticed this but things tend not to be discussed very logically/spiritually here and instead people's physical identity gets attacked.
How are we supposed to know you're not trying too hard to be something else this time? How should we be expected to trust your strong judgements when they are strongly influenced by things other than the truth?
-T
Bertie--
Jesus said, “bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. Just as you want people to treat you, treat them in the same way. Think of someone who has hurt you, or mistreated you, or cursed you. Pray for them now, in love.
Paul said, “Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Never pay back evil for evil to anyone.” Paul said, “when we are reviled, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure; when we are slandered, we try to conciliate”
I am using curse in the sense of a strong accusation or judgment against who I am and what I think. But if that doesn't work for you that's fine, because there are other behaviors that ought to be responded to with prayer and blessing. I also think he's mistreated me, so I'm praying for him. I'm treating him as I would have him treat me -- if only he would pray for me, and bless me. He has attempted to hurt me, so I pray for him in love. I am persecuted by him (I do understand he believes it's justified persecution), so I bless him. I do believe he reviles my thoughts, so I bless him. I do believe he has slandered me and my thoughts, so I have tried to concilate. And the invitation is still open.
Again, it does truly cause me sorrow that you are so upset about this conviction of mine. But the way I see it, I was debating for a very long time with mynym and things got worse and worse (much worse), not any better. So I will freely admit that my first attempt to reconcile failed, and I was wrong. Don't you think I would love to list out the thought patterns of Nazism? To clear my name in his eyes that I don't count any of them as my own? But no, that would just be a misguided attempt to gain his favor, when what the situation demands is blessings and prayer. And as his latest post shows, unfortunately a judgment from him that perhaps my thoughts aren't so horrid can prove to be short-lived and transitory.
Have I learned something from mynym? Of course I have. I will start to examine the words to the songs more strenously to ensure they pass the test. It is true that I was operating under a general procedure where "if I think it, it can be shared and it is good art." But perhaps that is dangerous, and I will be sure to test things more before sharing, as much as I can. So I guess this is another blessing for MyNym! I do appreciate having eyes opened to this fault, so bless you for that Christopher.
I am attempting the path I do believe is the biblical solution. The one I should have tried first.
Jason,
The definition of 'curse' that you gave me was very interesting and I think it shows where the root of the problem is.
“Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. Never pay back evil for evil to anyone.” Paul said, “when we are reviled, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure; when we are slandered, we try to conciliate.”
I do not think that when God said this through Paul he meant that we are to stop preaching the Truth when we are persecuted (or rather feel we have been persecuted or cursed; you still have not answered my original post about what mynym said exactly). The problem here in this verse is that the persecuted Christians were reviling their enemies instead of loving them, cursing instead of showing Christ's love even when they were persecuted. However, this was NOT a call to stop preaching God's Truth!! The opposite is true, rather God called them to 'endure', to 'conciliate'!
Main Entry: con·cil·i·ate
Pronunciation: k&n-'si-lE-"At
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
Etymology: Latin conciliatus, past participle of conciliare to assemble, unite, win over, from concilium assembly, council -- more at COUNCIL
transitive senses
1 : to gain (as goodwill) by pleasing acts
2 : to make compatible : RECONCILE
3 : APPEASE
intransitive senses : to become friendly or agreeable
Jason, God's words to Paul here indicates that the early Christians were cursing their enemies. However, they were called to respond very differently than what you are doing by your silence. It is not wrong to defend what you believe because if you believe that it is God's Truth, it deserves defending!! Just defend it in love.
"I am using curse in the sense of a strong accusation or judgment against who I am and what I think."
The early Christians were not recieving accusations against "who they were" or "what they thought," but against the very Truth of God. They were called not to defend what THEY thought, but the Truth of God.
If your thoughts are of God, (coincide with His Word, the Bible) they are not merely YOUR thoughts Jason, but the very thoughts and commands of God! God calls us to endure in defending His Truth, not to be silent.
Having said all that, you still did not respond to my original post in that I asked you to provide the words that mynym spoke regarding a curse. Let us see these comments out in the open so that, if they are rather defense for the Truth, God's Truth can be reconciled. Jason, if you speak God's Truth and are willing to defend that, then let us see if you are willing to be 'stung' a little more.
~Bertie
Sorry, something I said doesn't make sense....
"Jason, God's words to Paul here indicates that the early Christians were cursing their enemies."
What I meant to say was that the early Christian's enemies were cursing the Christians. And that the Christians were called to respond in a very different manner than what you are doing, merely to keep preaching but preach in love instead of returning the curses.
~Bertie
"How are we supposed to know you're not trying too hard to be something else this time? How should we be expected to trust your strong judgements when they are strongly influenced by things other than the truth?"
Merely debate with mynym and test what he says now. I do not think that mynym is asking you to trust what he says, but to put it to the test...if what he is saying about Jason's lyrics is false, prove this to be false using God's Truth. If they are true, then the Truth shall stand. Debate using God's Word and trust that the Holy Spirit will reveal the Truth or falsity of what mynym or Jason says. But this will take debate about their words and the Truth in them, not on whether to trust mynym.
Are you willing to take the challenge and test mynym's and Jason's words? You have the ability, use it. The Truth shall stand if you take the challenge. Do not put trust in the person who sends a message (because that person is imperfect, except for Christ, who was Truth itself), but the Truth that is in their words, if indeed it is there.
~Bertie
"How are we supposed to know you're not trying too hard to be something else this time?"
I was trying just as hard to tell the Truth then as now. What are you saying? After all, I almost tipped the pail but did not actually pour it. I said the stated intent was good. But see how you demand perfection and perfect clarity/integrity in thought at all times? That is good. But so you do admit that the Truth that walks through words exists! Or...perhaps not "really," only when it is convenient to make it about me, you see. It is not about me! You judge me by a high standard, this integrity in the language and perfection that you demand and yet I will attempt to meet it. You might not like it if it is met. Note, just about the entire group has said there is virtually no standard because everything is so questionable, do not judge...and they offer their bodies as living sacrifices to this lack of judgment, throwing their selves in front of the evil being judged. I will attempt to let Someone make my thought patterns perfect though, yes indeed! In "deed," or just thought....He said there was no difference and demanded perfection in both. But a young man who does not strive for it. Well, it is all right in his word patterns, his very soul.
"How should we be expected to trust your strong judgements when they are strongly influenced by things other than the truth?"
Because they're not? The "group" that supports each other just for the sake of supporting disordered ducks have been the "strong influence" not to seek and try to tell the truth here. You seek to hurt other people's feeling because supposedly the Truth that walks through words hurts your own feelings, etc. It does not! The Truth that walks through words does not hurt anyone's feelings! It is not the Word that hurts feelings but the weak ones who do not want him to be seen nor known. Do not blame his infinite justice that rains on their heads for the feelings. He loves you and is working even now to save you from them. If you let him, He might even give you not this
so-called "happiness" based on physical things but joy. Joy, so that even as your physical body is burned to death you can raise your hands as a symbol to others that the sense of the Word is enough. But you who seek to go with your own feelings all the time, I tell you the truth, you will be the chaff. He who is not faithful in little will not be faithful in much, not much at all. For we are but dust in the wind blown wherever it takes us without the Truth that walks in words.
"I do appreciate having eyes opened to this fault, so bless you for that Christopher."
Bless you Jason, for letting me play with your thought patterns. You have kept trying to get in the way though. Perhaps they are weakened, perhaps not. But you must learn to dance with the Devil, to perfect your thoughts. I tell you the truth, the weak ones are very real. The evidence can be assembled and malevolent designs of malevolent intelligences can be proven. When there is a creature of the Word about they seem to grow very fearful! They immediately see it in the clarity of the words, which is a clarity of thought, which is a clarity in the soul which is being perfected every day. If faith cannot be shaken their attacks only make it stronger and stronger as it clings to the Word alone. They know it. And it is what is in the mind that they fear. They fear Him very much! One day, perhaps you might have some fun using the Logos to smash their heads in. But you know, psychologists would say that anyone who talks back is craaazy. How does that make you feeeel, Gimpy? Gimpy, this mystery man! "Hey, it just wasn't nice!" Here lies Limpy with his head bashed in all to hell. I leave others to bash in Gimpy's head.
"Heads" is a metaphor. The spiritual is not the physical no more than a circle is a square or your own brain is your mind.
"...debating for a very long time with mynym and things got worse and worse (much worse), not any better."
I take a man who says he needs no *spiritual* mercy at his words. Wrap them about his head and call the Law and the prophets down up it. Justice is just as sweet as grace. How sweet it is to see evil get its head bashed in. You looked for physical mercies and niceness. And they are nice, that is true. There are still some things lurking in your words. And there have been in mine too but I am apparently the only one who saw them. But may your friends lift you up and help you *spiritually*. If your mind is open and seeks the spirit, seek it. It is not the physical. The Word became flesh once but does not do so again and again. It is the spirit and works in thought/prayer and walks in words/information.
But so that all might see a little of the Logos that sheds light/time. Look to the Book and His story about putting the physical/creation before the metaphysical/Creator. I will show you some portions of it, those who have eyes to see. This will be a little longer, I suppose. But I think soon I will not clog your blog with the words anymore. Probably, no one will understand it. But some might...
Of the Book and His story, quite recent history.
"They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and
worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator..."
What a summation! But history needs so many more words for it.
"'Man's role is to overcome Nature!' Millions have thoughtlessly parroted this Jewish nonsense ...Man has never yet conquered Nature in anything."
(Adolf Hitler. Mein Kampf. tr. Ralph Manheim (Boston: Houghton Mifflin. 1943 :278)
"By killing the Jews, Western culture would eradicate those who had 'invented' God...The holocaust is a reflex, the more complete for being long inhibited, of natural sensory consciousness..." (George Steiner, In Bluebeard's Castle: Some Notes Towards the Redefinition of Culture (New Haven, CT: Yale Univ. Press) :41)
"Unlike the flexible Greeks, [the Jews] follow rigid laws and formal procedures and a categorical set of moral standards (the Ten Commandments) which now have a wide if not universal application....As monothism severes man from Nature, so its categorical morality alienates man from his natural impulses."
(Robert Casillo. The Geneology of Demons: Anti-Semitism, Fascism, and the Myths of Ezra Pound [a fascist] (Evanston, Il: Northwestern Univ. Press, 1988) :31 citing Pound's Guide To Kulchur :164 and Selected Prose :58 :150)
"In its desire to reconcile man with nature, save him from a lingering death and physical decrepitude and safeguard his primitive virtues and his natural environment, fascism was probably the first environmentalist ideology of this century......"
(Mussolini's Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions, 31.34.n2 cf. Zeez Sternell, "Fascist Ideology" in Walter Laqueur, ed. Fascism. A Reader's Guide (Berkeley:
Univ. Of California Press, 1976) :318)
"With the founding of the NSDAP, for the first time a movement had appeared whose goal did not, like that of the bourgeois parties, consist in a mechanical restoration of the past, but in the effort to erect an organic folkish state in place of the present state mechanism." (Adolf Hitler. Mein Kampf. tr. Ralph
Manheim (Boston: Houghton Mifflin. 1943 :384)
The next words, from the Book.
"Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil..."
Words of history:
"...spiritual fascism, throwing off of humane principle, recourse to violence, blood-lust, irrationalism, cruelty, Dionysiac denial of truth and justice, self-abandonment to the instincts and unrestrained “Life” which in fact is death and, insofar as it is life, only the Devil’s work. Fascism [is] ... a Devil-given departure from bourgeois society that leads through adventures of drunkenly intense subjective feeling and super-greatness to mental collapse and spiritual death, and soon to physical death."
(T.J. Reed, "Thomas Mann: The Uses of Tradition."
(Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1974) :364-365)
They are gossips,
"By 1926...the charges and countercharges hurled by the Nazi Chieftains at one another became so embarrassing that Hitler set up a party court to settle them and prevent his comrades from washing their dirty linen in public."
(Shirer, William. The Rise and Fall of the
Third Reich. New York, Fawcett Crest, 1960. :174)
slanderers,
The Nazis "“quarreled and feuded as only men of
unnatural sexual inclinations, with their peculiar jealousies,
can.” (Ibid. :172)
God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful;
"Men who can't divest themselves of manners of previous
centuries, and scoff and sling mud at things which are holy and matters of belief to others, once and for all do not belong in the SS."
(Ernst Christian Helmreich, The German Churches Under
Hitler: Backround, Struggle, and Epilogue
(Detriot: Wayne State Univ. Press, 1979) :218)
And so on and so on and so on...these are the type of things summed up in the prophet's cryptic codes too. There is much more information in them than you might think. But some minds, they are just closed and cannot seem to retain the "knowledge of God."
As far as escalating curses, that which is cursed is cursed. To demonize a demon, the weak ones with their Legions of excuses and idiotic patterns of thought....there is nothing I can see that is wrong in doing so. I think the Book is true on this. It seems that most of the time, the insane "really" are demoniacs.
Is this wrong?
By the way, if you have questions then question. I hope to have many answers for seekers of Truth.
But those whose questions are not for the sake of the search for Truth but for the sake of making it questionable, beware! Those who are led to seek, seek.
wow the last 7 posts are all from mynym.......get your own blog.
Just defending the Truth...what was this blog put here for anyway?
~Bertie
Yet another example of attacking a debator instead of finding out if what he says is true. If you don't feel like debating what is said, fine...if you do, than debate what is said, not whether or not a debator is being too long-winded. Do you care enough about what is True, drummer boy? :)
~Bertie
OK I've tested what the 2 have said. Here's what I've found, cool?
"blood on all our hands" -- I googled it and the results back up that it's a metaphor that by and large means what I took it to mean and what Jason said he meant it to mean -- that everyone shares in a collective guilt. To me this seems totally compatible with the doctrine of original sin. Which is completely biblical.
Seems like a pretty good message to get out there -- there are many I know who don't even think people are sinners. Or maybe there are others who are sinners, but not them! It is a darker song, but then it's a darker truth that needs to be learned. I think it's obvious what Jason meant it to say, and I think it clearly means that. MyNym won't elaborate on what he even thinks it means, on declares that it is obvious what it means because words have meaning. Obvious only to him. Most everyone else agrees that the meaning is "collective guilt."
As the the kneel and testify. . . well of course it's true that religion alone can't take care of the collective guilt. Pharisees prove that.
Verdict: Nothing blasphemous from Jason
The other charge is that "embrace the dramatic, become a fanatic" will somehow lead to Nazism. Again, I've tested it and I see a lot of fanatics everywhere. Some were good, some bad.
"fanatic" def: individual marked by intense devotion to a cause or idea or person
Now I would say that the moral value of the fanaticism would rely on the what the cause, idea of person who was inspiring the fanaticism was. So there is nothing inherently blasphemous about saying "for one moment I want to be a fanatic." Intense devotion to Jesus, for instance. . . not blasphemous, right?
Verdict: Nothing blasphemous from Jason.
Now about MyNym. I've tested and found his message wanting. He says he's a man of the Word, but the word he seems to like more than any other is excrement. Compare his use of that word in his "stories" versus the scriptures' use -- the scriptures use it ONCE, I don't even want to count how many times he uses it, but if he ever publishes his parables, he should call them "Tales of Excrement". I think out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks (by extension, the hand writes), and just as an observation he writes exceedingly about excrement, about crushing, about blasphemy, about making fun. . . So I would be cautious about the things he says.
Another observation, I've seen Jason write about Paradise, blessings, his wife, his family, beauty, stargazing. . .
Last thing. Mynym tore into Jason for saying what he meant when he said "blood on all our hands" and asserted that "words mean what they mean." I said previously, this would mean that everything has to be taken literally, and no metaphors are allowed. Yet mynym has talked about "lazer-eyed propets," "a crazy third eye," and "crushing heads." Note: I THINK you should be allowed to use metaphors, by he isn't playing by his own rules and that further cuts into his intellectual integrity. From this non-involved observer's viewpoints, it looks like mynym's guiding principle is "Jason is wrong, I'll disagree with whatever he says." So I think Jason is doing the right thing by not responding any longer.
By the way, I stumbled onto this log from delawareonline.com . .. so I'm not one of Jason's buddies rushing to his defense. The only thing I have to judge Jason or Mynym are their "thought patterns" so all "test results" here are a result of examining those things.
- T
For some reason my last comment didn't get posted....excrement!! :) hehe
That is very cool, T. Yay for T! I agree with most of what you said I think.
I don't get the validity of bringing up mynym's word usage.
However, I agree (oh my, disagreeing with my bro, that I supposedly 'adore'!) with your points about metaphores and how they are fine to use...the Bible is a great example of metaphores in use. What say you to this mynym?
I also still do not agree with Jason's silence. If he thinks he is speeking God's Truth then he will endure. I was wondering what you would think if mynym, since you have posted all disagreements about him, :) replied to you with silence.
Jason dude, I'm gonna ask you a favor to post up the lyrics to your songs. Maybe I just missed them on the site or something...
It sounds to me like the lyrics to All Our Hands make sense once you explain them. I'll have to think about it when I see the actual lyrics and what other lines there are to the song besides the one that has been quoted. Jason, I would suggest explaining them whenever you perform so that people don't get the wrong idea...or when you put your lyrics on the site to also explain the words and why you wrote them. This way people won't be able to put any old meaning to them they want...
~Bertie
"OK I've tested what the 2 have said. Here's what I've found, cool?"
Well, as you know I am not merely nice. But I try to be truly nice! It's something about the One who is in me, He is TRULY nice! He has a sense of humor that legalists lack. And also, if my pattern of thought is wrong at some point and I have to eat my words, I want them to taste very, very bitter! That way, I can truly know what they really, really, really are. Then I can better avoid the evil that causes one to become down with the sickness, next time. Enough with the lukewarm....simper, snivel, is it really true, did God really say? I have questions. You have answers? Not really. Oh...really? No, not really.
But yes, what you say IS cool. It feels very cool...deathly cold. The pattern of the legalist, the cold toads, white washed sepulchers who remove patterns/meaning/Truth, remove the living Logos by breaking it all down into a series of letters! Begin the dissection! Always so concerned about the excrement as they dissect too. It seems they must keep everything pure, each letter in its little test tube, all pure and tidy like! What a load of excrement from the cold toads! Excrement!
"Which is completely...."
Well, I tried being a cold toad for a second and I looked up each letter and actually a "c" is really just a "o" and an "m" and so on. Are you some prophet that you made a complete word out of letters! Did you crack the Cosmic code to see such patterns? Let's just dissect it so that there is no pattern, no bigger or deeper meaning to these symbols. Let us render our verdicts, letter by letter. We must keep each letter and symbol pure! Keep the letters pure, then we can be pure too...avoid the excrement at all cost!
"..the the kneel and testify. . . well of course it's true that religion alone can't take care of the collective guilt."
But the Word can, and the One who walks in words DEMANDS to be spoken of and testified to. It builds up civilization with correct judgments while the pattern of the song seeks to say it should not do so. That He has not done so. That those who say He has are all wrong, hypocrites. Etc.
"Pharisees prove that."
Oh, the irony!
What are these letters "r" "e" "l" "i" "g" "i" "o" "n" of which you speak? Hang on, let me put the pattern together again. I'm all craazzy like that, seeing symbols and patterns. Okay, better now. Religion, is a system of beliefs, which is a pattern of thought that builds up. We call the pattern, a religion. There is a spirit, a Holy Spirit who perfects thought, who easily crushes unholy spirits. Do you know of this and how to judge what its patterns look like?
"Verdict: Nothing blasphemous from Jason."
Legalists, with their dissections and verdicts! What about the mind, the soul and seeking the meaning of all things?
"I've tested it and I see a lot of fanatics everywhere. Some were good, some bad."
But the one with blood on their hands, well, they were bad! But that part of the dissection and verdict has been done already. Done away with, dead, like the head of a cold dissected toad! But it was a tested toad! Perhaps it was a toad that failed the test and so got its head chopped off. What a poor toad, the verdict was guilty, toad! But I am curious about these empirical observations and tests. How did you know they were based on these things you call "good" and "bad" upon which your verdicts are based? Are good and bad actually patterns or are they to be found in dissected toads? What is good and what is bad? Did you put them in a test tube too? Excrement though, now....that IS bad!
I am curious about the tests and the testing. But don't get testy now! Legalists, cold toads...but angry testing toads too! Attack of the angry toads who dissect to avoid their own dissection! Did you have a test tube with you when you ran the tests? What tests did you run on it? Did you put excrement in a test tube, shake it around and then say, "Why...that IS bad just as I always thought! The impurity of it!" Did it fail the excremental test? Is that why you render your verdict on the bad excrement...and what naughty excrement it is!
"I said previously, this would mean that everything has to be taken literally, and no metaphors are allowed."
The letter of the Law!
Would it mean that? What does it mean? What could it mean after its own dissection and the dissection of the testy tester? Let us keep all symbols separate, all pure and tidy like! Does it mean what it says in a vast cosmic pattern or what the cold toads say as they hop about dissecting each piece of it? Let us ask the scientists, they are the same type of cold toads too!
Attack of the dissecting toads! ...onward go the little toads, fight that excrement!
"...so all 'test results' here are a result of examining those things."
Indeed, legalists might be cold toads...but they are always such objective toads! They look at you with their little eyes and say, "I the cold toad, render my verdict upon this excrement! I am a toad, so I know it is bad!"
But I wonder...what are these things you call "good" and "bad" that your verdicts rest on? Are they vast Cosmic patterns or just a few letters of the Law? Are they patterns that you really understand and know? How do you render verdict on blasphemy, is it not a judgment about patterns of thought of the unholy ghosts? Can you recognize a pattern by dissection?
"mynym's guiding principle is 'Jason is wrong, I'll disagree with whatever he says.'"
But now you judge entire patterns. It was the excrement, I suppose. You can be his dissecting toady though. For excrement, it is what bad, impure!
My guiding principle is seeking the Truth that walks in words and shedding its light on patterns of thinking...or lack thereof. Like legalists and hedonists....and hedonists who quickly become dissecting legalists.
"I would be cautious about the things he says."
They are cautious toads...observant toads. There is the dissection that kills the notion of both true evil and true good with real patterns and meaning. Be cautious...it is not that there is anything to really get excited about, no big pictures. Let's dissect rather than deal with the patterns....and avoid excrement, then everything will be a-okay!
Why are the patterns of the hedonists and the legalists actually very similar? One can easily switch from one to the other because their focus is the physical. One tests it, observes it and renders judgment. Excrement bad! They are angry at the physical. The other just wallows in it regardless of the excrement. Their feelings go all disordered. Legalists, are right in a way. Hedonists, are also right in a way. But at least the hedonist is not cautious and has all their disordered feelings that might be set right! The legalist, they just seem cold, very cold. But then, angry!
Hey Bertie -- I'm working on a lyrics section for the site, just haven't had the time to put it all together yet. If you go back in this weblog -- maybe 2 or 3 months? -- you can find the lyrics to all our hands. the lyrics to fanatic are with the cd (david has one I'm sure). But I will be posting them too.
Thanks!
Hey T -- does T stand for toad? or for Truth? or for Travis? don't worry about mynym -- I'm starting to think he only tears into those he loves, so take it as a sign of affection.
"...with your points about metaphores and how they are fine to use...the Bible is a great example of metaphores in use. What say you to this mynym?"
I say a whole pattern of meaning cannot be changed just by saying it is "intended" to mean the exact opposite of its own meaning/pattern. And if something is coming out while the author intends the exact opposite pattern the author is questionable. They are whole series of symbols and patterns that seek to "contain" spiritual meaning. But really, words fail and crack under the strain of the spiritual fight sometimes....Of course metaphors are fine to use? And patterns of meaning layed down in thought/words have a transcendent/spiritual real meaning. Well, one pattern has real meaning and the other seems to have some sort of anti-meaning meaning. If the Truth is in you, this makes it easy!
That is why some people hate me because of the pattern of thought I seek to let out and spread. Fortunately for me, the wise men who founded America knew to protect speech as a right for it protects those who seek to speak the Word. Already, I would have been censored in many nations but here everyone immediately thinks, "But...free speech." The whole point was to protect the expression of the Word and it has for a long time. There are cracks beginning to show now where the anti-Word turns the work of wise men on its head to seek to censor it though.
Know this...to all false patterns of thought, weak ones who have had their heads bashed about and toyed with. This pattern that speaks there, there and there. SMASH! The Logos smashs it. I will not stop attempting to let Him do so. It is not the One who walks in Words that hurts anyone's feeeelings. Justice is just as sweet as mercy! For the weak ones call out that they seek only mercy but that is only for the gardeners that He loves. It is for those He fights for and not for you! He aims to save His gardeners and make a new Garden. It was good once. It will be good. He is making it good already even as He fights. There they will enjoy the treasures they have from seeking Him and fighting at His side here and now! There is NOTHING impure in the Fighter, His sweet justice upon evil is just as sweet as His mercy to the gardeners. The justice the weak ones seek to say is impure, might it rain down on your heads! Hear these words.
Vengeance is His! Might He continue to wreak havoc upon you! Haha!
And the Garden, it was for Him and not you. But instead of just raining down infinite justice upon everything, He fights Evil for His chosen gardeners! He gives them the opportunity to help Him fight! There is one who keeps trying to be what he is not. And he, well, he says he isn't what he is and is what he isn't, really what it is, blah, blah, bleh, simper....he always seems very confused, seems insane! He only comes forth to fight when real issues of the Word are on the table, it seems. Know the patterns and let the Word wrap false words around the false one's head so that he might choke on his own spittle!
Where did Snakeman go, the last limpid defender? Is he a snake or is he a man? Should one speak to the snake or the man? Or to the tooty fruity one who wants to see fruit baskets but not the Truth?
Anyhow, I think I might be through with this place. I know if a writer had come along claiming to know the information patterns of demons when I was a youth I would have been full of questions! Let me at them! How? Where? Why? But there are some, you see, who really do love their idols more than the Truth that walks in words. It is the seductive way that "seems" right but leads only to spiritual death and then, physical death. For you see, there are those who want your sense of the sensuous but they are killing everything they seek to touch it through, including you! Yes, you "really" will go insane in the membrane!
Hitler, Stalin, Nero, all the names synomous with evil, many names are so polluted. But it is all the same patterns, what a happenstance!
Yet Jesus, His name just cannot seem to be polluted! Even those who take the name in vain...do so, in vain. It just can't be polluted. The word "Christian" on the other hand....now there is a word that has been emptied of meaning, polluted, almost devoid of meaning more meaningless "religious talk."
Later, maybe. But if there are no questions asked as if they really want the Answer then I have other writing I need to be doing. I will check, tomorrow. But if that's all then let it be.
And vote for Bush!
;-)
You can know a man by his enemies. He tries to stand in a very large gap and his hair turns white because of it.
"I'm starting to think he only tears into those he loves, so take it as a sign of affection."
But I tell you the Truth. It is not the One who walks in Words who hurts anyone's feeelings!
"I say a whole pattern of meaning cannot be changed just by saying it is "intended" to mean the exact opposite of its own meaning/pattern. And if something is coming out while the author intends the exact opposite pattern the author is questionable."
Ok...I thought you meant that metiphores in general should not be used. So, for example if an author says, "I saw a rose" then the listenner is going to think, "he saw a rose." A red flower that smells good. But if the author says "no that's not what I meant, when I wrote that I meant it to be a metaphore for a thorn..." then he really needs to work on his metaphores.
So....your point?
I went back and read the lyrics Jason...I tried to read them subjectively, but of course, that's impossible. :) But this is what I came up with:
Basically, the first verse sounds like it's something about a person feeling totally guilty about something they did. The chorus? Basically there's blood on everyone's hands and they're trying by different methods to get rid of it...second verse: we tried to find other things to forget about the guilt, to bury ourselves in, but they didn't work either, we still have it and need to get rid of it by some sort of sacrifice. 2nd chorus: But we just can't seem to find a way to get rid of the guilt, we can ask forgiveness, we can try to teach others, but we're really just something else in disguise and we still have blood on our hands. Bridge: (I have to be honest, I really couldn't come up with any understandable meaning...)
last Chorus: more feelings of guilt and that blood is on all our hands.
So, that's what I got out of the song looking at it like a song I would hear on the radio for the first time. I have to say, I don't think that's what you intended it to mean. Maybe change the lyrics a little? Cuz you're saying that we all are guilty of something and can't get rid of that guilt no matter what we do. It really does sound to me like the opposite of what you said you intended it to mean.
I see your point now mynym. I didn't understand your post directed to T. I'll go back and read it again, but I may have to ask you to explain more.
All righty, have a good night all... :)
~Bertie
Hmmm. .. we're all guilty of something and we can't rid ourselves of it through human institutions? Yes, that is one of the meanings, that's great Bertie you got it. Why would this be a bad message to get out of the song? Isn't this a truth that people need to understand before they can see the need for Jesus?
Bertie said nothing about your words having anything to do with hope outside of ourselves. Souneded pretty hopless altogether- with or without God.
Bertie, correct me if I misinterpreted your interpretation...
the last post is from N.
The lyric "Everything we build so proud and high is cursed to tumble from the sky" clearly puts the context of attempted solutions within human hands by evoking the tower of Babel. I'll consider adding something else to make that more clear, but most people I talk to who hear this song do "get it."
"kneel and testify" is what seems to confuse some people because some are thinking it's a reference to God when it's not (once you understand the entire context of the song this should be obvious, but not everyone gets that i suppose). So I will reconsider that particular lyric and see if I can still get across the idea of human-made religion being merely another failed attempt to absolve ourselves of the universal guilt. Any suggestions?
Ok, so the line where it says "kneel and testify" is one of the lines that is holding up what you're trying to say...cuz kneel provides an image of asking forgiveness, and testify preaching. So asking forgiveness but still having blood on our hands is definitely not something you want to be saying. Maybe say something to the effect of kneeling to false gods or something. I think you could come up with something different that makes the whole song a lot clearer. The whole thing about blood on our hands...Have to think about it some more. I mean, yes, Jesus blood was spilt for our sins, but Jesus' gift of blood for our sin was given freely, we don't have to carry around guilt for a gift given freely by God. Something is still not right here. Again, I'll have to think about it some more. :)
Few, it's late...better get some shut eye. Later
~Bertie
Wait a moment.....I was laying in bed thinking about it, and I think this is the problem I'm having.
you said that "blood on all our hands" signifies original sin from everyone...but it also signifies Jesus' sacrifice (Jesus' blood that washes us clean) for that sin? I remember somewhere that you said this in one of your explanations about the lyrics. It can't mean both because they are at opposite ends of the spectrum. It can't signify both our guilt/judgment/death for original sin AND the blood that was shed to take care of that guilt. I'm guessing you didn't realize this when writing the lyrics? clarify please...
~Bertie
The Jesus' blood part was not an original meaning when the song was written, the original meaning was the original sin / collective sin part. But I was trying to respond to Mynym's contention that me saying there was "blood on my hands" was blasphemous by giving him a number of meanings to the metaphor that are anything but blasphemous.
And it dawned on me that for the Christian there was an "opposite ends of the spectrum" dynamic going on with the blood of Christ -- our original sin sacrificed Christ on the altar, so yeah his blood is on our hands (collective guilt, very bad thing), yet his blood washes us clean, so we are cleansed and forgiven (eternal life, very good thing). It's kind of a good example of God using what we meant for evil for good. If you don't like it, don't worry about it -- this was more a meaning that emerged later on for me, not the original one. I like it, you don't have to.
Hey, I'm gladd to see that there are some people here on the weblog that really care about truth, but once again, everything has gone way out of context! This post was about how great it is to be in love and to look at the sky that God made, and realize that everything is going to work out in the end. Do any of you have a problem with that? Everybody is misunderstanding each other, and nobody really seems happy with the way things are going. why don't we all just calm down.
I don't know any of you, but I do know Jason. (Meeting in person really does a lot for a relationship). I know that Jason is not a Nazi, a fascist, or a blasphemer. He's a creative, intelegent, and kind Christian who's doing the best he can to literally follow what the bible says. Sorry that you don't agree with him, but we can get along anyway... if you want to.
I think that we all need to be careful. It seems like everybody here is getting close to throwing their pearls to the swin, or at least sowing seeds of truth in fallow ground.
I say the silent treatment can be a good and biblical solution, so way to go Jason. It's hard, but you're doing a good job. Nobody who knows you at all thinks that you are a nazy, blasphemer, or demon channeler. If you need any more convincing of this, just read the post from your friend from work at the beginning.
so yeah... by swin i meant swine. I think you probably got that.
"I say the silent treatment can be a good and biblical solution"
Anytime you say something is Biblical, be ready to back it up with scripture.
What scripture is there then to support this? We already went over the verse about Jesus remining silent. But you know what, Jesus was without error. Bertie already went over this. What scripture then do you have to back up the silent treatment being biblical?
Hey Ian,
We did not get off track...maybe you did not read the whole post by Jason. :)
"SIDE NOTE: There are some on the board who are attempting to "crush my thought patterns" (according to them), yet don't care enough to actually email me directly or introduce themselves in person when afforded the opportunity. I've tried discussing, defending, explaining, finding a meeting of the minds, only to be met with esculating curses. So obviously I've been going about this the wrong way. After prayer, I've decided that the only way I should respond to their comments from now on is with a blessing. And this is it:
I do not cease to give thanks for you, remembering you in my prayers, that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of him. . ."
So.........I made some comments about the stars, and then made some comments about the rest of the post. Guess there wasn't a whole lot to debate on the star part :) so the debate took off about whether 'silent reatment' is biblical. Then I was questioning where mynym 'cursed' Jason....Jason still didn't answer me on that part :), so I assumed that the conflict was about the lyrics to the song "All Our Hands". Then T got on and said some things. I guess it just evolved! :)
Anyway, yeah, I guess if you really do want to have a relationship with someone you should meet them! Of course...that wasn't really the point. The question was whether or not you needed to meet someone if you want to debate, which isn't necessary.
"Sorry that you don't agree with him, but we can get along anyway... if you want to."
I don't know if I agree with him or not....that's what I'm trying to figure out. I don't agree with him about silent treatment, don't agree about having more questions than answers, but I'm still thinking on the lyrics. :) I'm guessing I'm still 'getting along' fine since he hasn't totaly ignored me. :)
"Everybody is misunderstanding each other, and nobody really seems happy with the way things are going. why don't we all just calm down."
You don't have to be happy with how things are going all the time, Ian. :) ...but I'm also not hyper or upset about anything. I don't like people telling me I'm getting hyper when I'm really NOT. Sheesh! Man...who do you think you are anyway????? (these words are accompanied by hyperventilating and a few well chosen words)
Hehe... :):)
I'm still thinking on the lyrics, Jason. :-)
By the way, I'm hoping that smily faces will calm those who are hyper down. :):) lol...I don't know who's upset, but please...calm DOWN. Is it you N?
~Bertie
Bertie- Are you asking me if im upset? I'm so confused!! Did I sound upset? I'm calm! just to prove so: :o) :o) :o) :o)
:o)
N
"I know that Jason is not a Nazi, a fascist, or a blasphemer."
No one who treads an evil path actually thinks, "Man, this is an evil path!" The German Christian youth who condemned the confessionalists/fundamentalists as rigid, judgmental, narrow minded, etc., did not think, "You know what guys, we're actually treading an evil path here! We seek to shed the blood of innocents and there is blood on our hands!" Even as people told them so, they did not believe it, you see. They had not been given eyes to see. Just know, He fights to save and seeks to give eyes to see. Evil, it is not His fault. There is nothing impure about Him, nothing.
But to the spiritual blindness...excuses are Legion to avoid actually seeing patterns of spiritual evil. Here is what the Nazi youth probably thought, "You know what guys, Jews are really narrow and judgmental and I saw this image once of what they are really like. So I know! Now let's go back to mommy Nature that they seek to alienate us from and just follow." Who placed certain patterns of images in the mind for use? Was it good or evil that did it, if the conclusion is evil? Why does the pattern of images and excuses fit into a bigger picture, that is evil? Happenstance? The patterns would not always match if that were true.
Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil AND demand that no one speak as if evil actually exists! And so, evil can exist then for the Word crushes it. Yet I will write that both a great evil and a far, far, GREATER good do "really" exist. Both are bigger than you. The way you all seek out paths to turn away, to turn to friendship first, away from the fact that both "really" exist, is itself a telling pattern of feeling. The very term fascist came from bundle of sticks, each one is very weak on its own...but they are gathered together based on patterns of feeeeelings.
I know that some cannot believe, do not believe, have not been given the eyes to see. But there is a much larger picture and patterns that all go together in a spiritual battle.
And let's just say, I didn't used to play the Devil's advocate based on "happenstance." I fought in the war of words...and then in my own thoughts I saw the same pattern, what the devil is that doing there?! And with a well honed blade...
He likes it not when a young man learns how to dance with the devil!
And to the weak one who simpered as its head was crushed, "...great minds encounter violent opposition from mediocre minds!" If the Holy Spirit is such a mediocre mind then why can't you unholy spirits win in the spiritual war of words! Ha!
"I know that Jason is not a Nazi, a fascist, or a blasphemer."
Just what is it that you throw yourselves/identies/bodies in front of, offering your bodies as living sacrifices, to protect? Is it a good pattern of thought or is it evil? Is having more sympathy for mice than for the little ones who are murdered good or evil? It is a Nazi pattern of thought to put the "rights" of animals before humans. Given the banality of evil...the Nazis feel this proves how nice they are because they just "love" animals, even as little ones are ripped to shreds behind closed doors.
How do you know if a pattern of thinking is good or evil? I will not hear no evil, speak no evil and "calm down." I actually am calm and logical though. Maybe you should calm down and think.
"Even as people told them so, they did not believe it..."
I suppose, even if their own prophetic/poetic voices spoke out of the blood on their hands, STILL they would not believe! Meanings can be changed and excuses found to break down the patterns of Truth itself in the mind. That is part of the fight, in a way. He wants us to fight with Him against it!
It is amazing, in some ways...the total depravity in the minds that seem not to be open. And their patterns of thought do manifest out, eventually. It is as if, the mind just does not exist! Perhaps it has just been eaten away and a small part is still there. I do not know. If I could figure it all out and fix it, I would. But that is not my job. It is not my job to save, He saves, not me. You can know how many people you have attempted to lead to Him but you cannot know whether the Fighter was successful in saving them as He wants to. You can make a guess but it is not something for us to know. I do know that He was successful in saving me.
Yes, at some point it really is pearls before swine, if they keep whining and proving that they are swine. The Word/Spirit, has a way of spinning in heads though, fighting, opening up, so that perhaps later it will fight and open the mind of the whiners!
"This post was about how great it is to be in love and to look at the sky that God made, and realize that everything is going to work out in the end."
Avoiding the fight, it will be all better when we are dead? Now, that really is calming down...cool, very cool, deathly cold.
Evil exists and must be fought here and now. What else are we here for but to be given the chance to stand with the Hero that fights against it? If He has saved us then we are in His grip and He wants us to stand and fight with Him. And to garden the Garden as best we can, as we were meant to, as we seek to stand with Him in his fight.
About looking at the sky....there was only one lucky star.
"I actually am calm and logical though."
And don't worry, the Logos is not cold and dreary, almost dead. It spins in the back of the head, shedding its light on things.
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And Ian, I don't think you quite get it. I'm saying that most all patterns of thought that were illustrated here fit Nazi patterns, fit evil patterns that go all throughout His story.
This is His story. But you can get upset about it if you want to. For you see, He is not hurting your feelings so that you avoid the Truth about these patterns. He is not the one who hurts our feelings.
"If you need any more convincing of this, just read the post from your friend from work at the beginning."
There it is. Do not look to His story, some of which has been layed out all around you. Do not look to the Book, do not pray/think...and so on. Fascism, this bundle of weak little sticks that lack judgment. Snap, snap, snap....Each one so easy to break on their own. But once there is a crowd all gathered together, things get sinister. You do not even ask about the facts. That is the "nice" Nazi pattern of thought again, right there. Look at the banality of its evil in all its vain glory, going along...to get along, no questions asked, no questions answered.
For you see, questions must not be asked as if the Answer "really" exists. Something keeps trying to be what it is not and isn't what it is.
But He, well He is what He is. You have not been seeking Him out.
Mynym,
Man, I just really wonder what your motives are for doing this! Look, you're not hurting my feelings, I don't feel like a victim, I'm just confused.
Do you think that we are evil? If so why?
Do you think that you are speaking for God and for the holy spirit?
Do you think that you are accomplishing something?
I think that we are all pretty confident of who we are in God and as people. I don't know why you are obsessed with Nazism and fascism, really I think it's kind of crazy. That's what the whole silent treatment is about. I think that we know that we aren't totally evil nazis channeling demons and headed straight for hell. I don't even feel the need to respond to what you are saying, because quite frankly it's rediculous (I wish I could spell that out, but you know what I mean : ).
Bertie, I really respect you and what you are trying to accomplish here. I see that you are discussing things with an open mind and really looking for answers, and I think that we all agree that there are deffinate answers, but some of us admit that we don't have them all. Right now I'm out of time, but later I'll tell you why I think it is biblical to be silent. Thanks.
MN-
Is most of your ire birthed from the fact that some of the band members once publicly considered voting for a political candidate who espoused abortion?
I can see why that would possibly greatly upset you. However, the guys have made their abhorrence of abortion quite clear. The judgement call over such a political decision is a whole different discussion, however. Is that what you're attempting to do?
But is That the incident that convinced you of their evil nature/judgement? I humbly suggest that if so, you are greatly reading into their psyche, and perhaps even (intentionally?) misunderstanding them.
Finally, a word from the Logos for you to Consider. I am not trying to pick a fight, but I think these are some pertinent scriptures to dwell upon and ask how they pertain to this discussion. I would email them to you, but I do not have your address! If you wish to respond, please do so to my email address- theuglybassmon@juno.com, and not through this forum! (I beg of you, please honor that request, because of the Biblical mandate to talk to your brother in private before taking him to task publicly, and to honor Jason's plea of how we use this forum).
Anyway, a smattering of Word! Eph 4:25, 31-32. Romans 14. 1 Corinthians 13:7-8. James 3:17-18.
May the truth reign in justice, grace, and mercy! All the best,
~ jd
"Is most of your ire birthed from the fact that some of the band members once publicly considered voting for a political candidate who espoused abortion?"
JD,
If Mynym was arguing with no reason or purpose which he stated, than it would be worth trying to figure out why he is posting on here. But hasn't he made his purpose and reasoning clear? Why bother searching for reasons that he could have ill feelings towards the band? Besides, if his words DO speak truth, than what matters of his feelings towards you? He's not trying to bash you all down because of an abortion issue but to educate you on something else. If his words are true they are true, if they are not, they are not. Start seeking truth instead of how someone feels about you.
N
"May the truth reign in justice, grace, and mercy!"
Amen!
N
"Man, I just really wonder what your motives are for doing this!"
Truth?? Like he's stated a million times? Ummmm....who cares what his motives are anyway? The question of whether or not what he says is True or false is what matters in a debate.
"Do you think that you are speaking for God and for the holy spirit?"
This is interesting...how can one tell if one is speaking for God? If one has their sins erased by the sacrifice of Jesus, then one automatically is given the Holy Spirit. Not because one is worthy, but to be able to discern between good and evil, help others discern what is good and evil, and to ultimately become more like Christ. Do you claim to speek for God, Ian, do you have the Holy Spirit? You make it sound as though this is a bad thing, to speek for God. What are you trying to 'accomplish' by your questioning anyway? :)
"Do you think that you are accomplishing something?"
It doesn't matter whether he thinks he's accomplishing something or not....are his words True?
"...really I think it's kind of crazy. That's what the whole silent treatment is about."
Oh, so that's why you support the silent treatment, because you think that mynym's words are "kind of crazy."
"I think that we know that we aren't totally evil nazis channeling demons and headed straight for hell."
I'm glad you think this....I would be worried if you did. :)
"I don't even feel the need to respond to what you are saying, because quite frankly it's rediculous."
Quite frankly, I think it's just laziness of thought. If you think that mynym is wrong, then shouldn't you, as a Christian brother, be concerned enough about his words to show him where he is in error?
"Bertie, I really respect you and what you are trying to accomplish here."
Don't respect me...but if what I say is True, respect the Truth that are in the words. I would be interested to know what you think I'm trying to accomplish. :) An 'open mind' as you say?
"I see that you are discussing things with an open mind and really looking for answers,"
I am ultimately seeking the Truth, not seeking to having an open mind...since when is it biblical to have 'an open mind'? What is this you speek of? I seek Truth.
"I think that we all agree that there are deffinate answers, but some of us admit that we don't have them all."
Yes, there are definate answers...are you willing to say when something is definate? Or do we have to be in a state of question marks until the end when we meet Christ face to face?
"Right now I'm out of time, but later I'll tell you why I think it is biblical to be silent."
I'm waiting... :):) I'm guessing that this is one of the answers you are willing to see as 'definite.'
"so yeah... by swin i meant swine."
Oh! And by 'nazy' you meant....lol :):)
~Bertie
jd-
I am very interested to know what the point of debating mynym through email is....has mynym sinned against you? If not, then you should not attempt to serve as the voice of another. (Jason?) This would merely be gossip. The Bible states, "Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother." Has mynym sinned against you, and you alone? If so....the correct way, according to the Bible, to have gone about this was say, "Mynym, you have sinned against me and I need to talk to you through email one-on-one." Then you could have shown myny your verses through email. But posting your verses for all to see was a way to show everyone else your'side' of the story in a very sneaky way. :) You showed us part of your 'side' of the story and now mynym cannot defend himself except through email? That is not biblical if he did indeed sin against you and you are trying to go about this as biblically as possible.
But now since you put those verses there you are going to HAVE to explain yourself to the rest of us...
Romans 14:1 states, "Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters." I would like to know whose faith you are talking about. If you are referring to mynym, then it would be going against the verse itself to quote it to him becuase you should 'accept him, and not pass judgment on disputable matters.' So, the other option could be that you are in agreement with mynym about someone's 'weak faith' but would like mynym to 'accept' that person because you think that he isn't being accepting. I would argue to that: of course, accept a new believer or one whose faith is 'weak', but do not use this verse as a call not to desire that person to grow in knowledge as a Christian.
1 Corinthians 13:7-8 says,
"It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always persevers. Love never fails."
Ok...you're gonna have to explain the purpose of this verse for the discussion.
Also James...
~Bertie
Hello, Bertie!
Thank you for your response.
I was not attempting to debate MN. Nor do I want to! As I have said before, while I disagree with his tactics and some of his points, he has also written quite a bit that is thought provoking, and I admire and enjoy that. For more on my past interaction with MN, I suggest you reference past posts, if you're really concerned.
My purpose in inviting MN to talk to me through email is to try and get to know him and discuss some of the stuff I have attempted to discuss with him before in a way that isn't distracting to the purpose of this weblog.
I am sorry that I came across as sneaky. That is certainly not my intention in the slightest! As for using the scriptures for debate- I do not wish, at this time, to do that. I think they speak for themselves and are worthy of simply mulling over and their possible pertinence. Again, I am very apologetic that it came across as "sneaky!" Jason, if you're able to delete my post that came across as such, please do that. While you're at it, feel free to get rid of this one as well! (laugh).
No, MN has not sinned against me. But we have disagreed and I would like to discuss that disagreement through personal correspondence, since we don't appear to be making any headway in this public forum, and because I am of the hearty conviction that one-to-one correspondence is usually the most respectful/wise place to discuss a disagreement. That is fine if you disagree with me on that as well!
Along those lines, if you wish to discuss anything I've said with me, I do warmly invite you to please contact me at my email address, (theuglybassmon@juno.com)!
Again, these posts can be stricken from the record! (smile). I am not trying to further muddy the already murky waters.
God bless,
~ jd
If you are purely interested in debating with mynym privately then do so. However,
"Is most of your ire birthed from the fact that some of the band members once publicly considered voting for a political candidate who espoused abortion?
I can see why that would possibly greatly upset you. However, the guys have made their abhorrence of abortion quite clear. The judgement call over such a political decision is a whole different discussion, however. Is that what you're attempting to do?
But is That the incident that convinced you of their evil nature/judgement? I humbly suggest that if so, you are greatly reading into their psyche, and perhaps even (intentionally?) misunderstanding them."
I call this debate material. :):) Also, you used a reference to Matthew 18
"(I beg of you, please honor that request, because of the Biblical mandate to talk to your brother in private before taking him to task publicly..."
which indicates that mynym had sinned against you in some way that needs repairing. Do not use scriptures out of context if you are merely wish to debate with mynym privately.
"Finally, a word from the Logos for you to Consider. I am not trying to pick a fight, but I think these are some pertinent scriptures to dwell upon and ask how they pertain to this discussion."
I asked how they pertained to this discussion. And you replied:
"I think they speak for themselves and are worthy of simply mulling over and their possible pertinence."
Make up your mind please...
"purpose of this weblog..."
What IS the purpose of this weblog anyway? If it's not to debate issues then please tell me because I don't like wasting breath. (I'm not talking to you jd, but to Jason)
Have fun debating with mynym :)
~Bertie
This is a website for a rock band, and what's more it's for fans. The purpose is not to constantly debate thousands of unrelated issues, it's about music, life, and the things we think about. Sure a little debating is fine... but I'm sick of how far this has gone. That is not the purpose of this weblog, so if you're worried about wasting your breath you're free to move on.
Ok then....see ya guys
~Bertie
Hey Ian, welcome back buddy!
MyNym, I was about to say something about being busy, but I know that you would come back with three posts of MyNym-ness asking, in effect, how I could have other things to do besides continue (non-stop) this back-and-forth "conversation" with you, the prophetic/poetic voice, the sometimes judge, the sometimes anti-judge, the always hard-to-follow voice of this "psuedo-fascist" blog.
There are too many things to respond to, so I will settle on your "Snakeman" one-liners. So I'm a limpid defender, am I? I agree. A calm and untroubled defender. I am unmoved in my defense of what I think has been unjustly and WITHOUT authority, attacked. There is a key point. I know you see it, but I will highlight it in case you feel like rambling on about something else. POINT: I do not believe you are who you say you are. More importantly, I do not believe you are who you think you are. You say, point out where I've been wrong. I say, what kind of spirit have you displayed. You say, spirit isn't as important as truth.
I think we have another POINT.
Don't worry, Limped Snake Man Defender will be back.
Just a guess, but is N related to MyNym too? I think so. . .
-T
Just a guess, but is N related to MyNym too? I think so. . .
-T
"However, the guys have made their abhorrence of abortion quite clear. The judgement call over such a political decision is a whole different discussion, however. Is that what you're attempting to do?"
The Truth is about all things, for of Him and through Him and to Him are all things. All patterns go together, there are no "whole different discussions"/lukewarm(spit) when it comes to patterns of good and patterns of evil. Something either fits with the good or it is evil.
Through the guidance of the Holy Spirit, (He that fights for you!) He has tried to fight against evil for your minds/souls here. You might not "see" it but it was done, by Him. He led me here. He gave me the right ammo at the right time and so on. I have sought to let Him walk through words, which is what He does in this Age, this Age of Information. I have tried to carry your minds, lift them up, so that you might see the depth of evil and the much greater greatness of the Good.
The patterns of evil are many and take various paths. But here are three of the main things, the demons seek to kill the Jews, kill the babies and to kill the saints. I can explain why if you want to know. In "happenstance" (It just so happens.) if they have to but with their own bloody hands in the future if they can. They seek to kill saints, people of the Book and of the Word/Spirit that it contains. Those who kneel and testify, those "hypocrites." Nero, Hitler, etc...all bear the pattern and the remnants of their own souls spoke out about what had taken them over. Also, books in general must be burned in this Age. Meet in person, don't you like me? Simper, snivel, etc...They cannot escape in word patterns but work in emotions, bundling and violence ultimately necessary. They cannot win in the spiritual war of words. Writers who know the Truth must be silenced or given the silent treatment lest they be seen! Once they figure it out. They seem pretty stupid sometimes. And so on. There are many patterns of evil. I seek to let this Holy vengeful Spirit crush their sorry little heads, vengeance is His! Just ask Him, this Cosmic code that is the comic's Code too! They have been tricked (haha!) and brought forth here many times in all their vain glory and had their heads smashed by Him. It depends on what you set the table with. Always such crybabies about it, too. "I, uh, eh, whine...." Those who have the eyes to see will see it. They walk in certain patterns. The Holy Spirit is one of vengeance against them and He is a fun funny slick Guy with an infinite amount of tricks up His sleeves!
But all that I wonder, as a scholar, in my personal opinion on these things, is exactly where did you guys pick up all these "patterns of thought" that are in your heads?! In my personal opinion, as a scholar who has studied them, it is amazing how many there are here! It is as if one is reading directly the thoughts of German Christians and Nazi youth. Also, they always seek paths, any paths, to kill the babies, Jews, saints, etc., with the bloody, bloody hands but slither away into "happenstance" if caught by the Holy Spirit who wreaks His vengeance and havoc on their little minds!
Then, burn the books, etc....They want the mercy that is for the gardeners but not His vengeance upon them. They have been greatly manipluated here by the Holy Spirit who is wholly SPIRIT in this Age of the Book and books, information. That means, no "visions." Always something queer about false prophets wanting to seduce people personally, anyway. It is sheer joy for all saints, people of the Book to see His vengeance, for they still have the eyes to see it. Perhaps others have had their eyes plucked out by the Butcher already, who wants to see through them but actually kills them. For them, it is too late. But that is not His fault. He fights on! I hope it is not too late for you. I do. It is something to think about, if you still can. The Holy Spirit fights for you in this Age, He loves you.
This is why I try to walk so closely with this great Holy Spirit, this cosmic Code, this Alpha and Omega, the Essence of His own Existence....who only became flesh once, in the Man named Jesus. When He says be PERFECT, He means it! I'm working on it still, perfection of thought. For you see, I have been led to value my mind/soul very much! If you're sinning, the Devil is winning. And at the time of testing I'd rather not be among those fanatics with the blood of babies, saints and Jews on their hands, etc. That is what happens to those who "Know not what they do." There are those who still "happenstanically" seek paths to kill Jesus, you see. Hidden for now. It just so "happened." These patterns, they always seem to just "happen." SMASH!
You know what, they really don't like getting their heads crushed. But if I die tomorrow in some happenstance, I really just don't care. It has been a great honor to fight at His side these years and who knows what the metaphor "treasures" really means.
You guys, are just way, way, way, out of your league seeking paths against Him! This Holy Spirit, He is a smart One!
"You say, point out where I've been wrong. I say, what kind of spirit have you displayed."
You subtly conflate the spiritual and the physical. There was no harsher Metaphysician than Jesus though. Again and again I pointed this simple fact out. He did not define His words by, "Hmmm, this might not be nice because someone's feelings might get hurt!"
In the war of words, the Holy Spirit demands perfection and His vengeance upon evil. And so, the Nazis burn the books, Nero..etc... But He tolerates a lot of evil and failures from us, physically. He is a nice Guy like that. He wants the soul/mind/words for after all, the body is soon to follow along after it.
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What the hell is this funky discussion all about?
I heard you guys on Garageband, i liked it, I looked up the website and started reading. I'm typically into harder music, but you guys are pretty cool. Seems like the band is Christian. Question: What religion is mynym ?
I ask because I'm exploring different religions, so I really am interested in your religion, mynym. If you don't mind sharing it.
--B (not to be confused with any other B !)
--so I'll call myself B (or not to B) lol
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B (or not to B) --
Just deleted 2 of your identical posts, not censoring you. Blogger was kind of crazy tonight.
Cool that you heard us through Garageband. . . let me know if you want to talk one-on-one about Christianity at all. jason@thelookmachine.com is my email address!
B (not B) --
I'm pretty sure he's an athiest. He's a clever one, who mocks these Christians by pretending to have a Jesus of his own, but his Jesus is a fighter, this violent shephard who spends his time smashing his lambs' legs -- just like reality does to religion -- the truth that faith is stupid and there is no Jesus (at least, not one who exists outside of words). I definitely admire him for taking on these pollyanna christians who can't handle the truth! He might be a gnostic though too, because he loves knowledge and words so much. (you should look into gnosticism, it's pretty cool.) But if I had to bet, I'd guess he's an athiest (which is cool, cause so am I).
- Jeb
"I'm pretty sure he's an athiest. ...But if I had to bet, I'd guess he's an athiest (which is cool, cause so am I)."
A clever one you are Jeb! Yes, you as an atheist joining what amount to a cult of "German Christians" actually "proves" that they are Christians. Atheists...always so clever with their proof! Christians with atheistic support is proof of their Christianity.
Do not worry Jeb, Jesus was actually a Smart Guy, the Mind of God is like that. Quite smart, too smart for me! What competition is the mind of any man to the Mind of God? So you do not have to be stooopid like the people calling themselves "Christians" who believe in little patterns of images put in their heads or that little birdies come down from the sky with little messages for them, to believe the Mind of God exists.
B,
Just do not expect me to be this thing some cults seem to call "nice." Apparently, it has something to do with not trying to speak the truth in all things and not pointing out that malevolent intelligences "really" exist. And that seems not to be a "nice" pattern of thinking at all!
What is my religion....it begins with a rationale for rationality and flows from there. Begin, at the beginning, I suppose. What is religion?
There seems to be this Holy Spirit, the Mind of God, who helps me along! You will not find Him wanting, He is a Smart One. If you seek Him out, it seems you will find Him more and more. And what is it to actually begin to know the Mind of God?
It seems the bibliolaters put Him in the Bible and then, thump, thump! They seem a little like the cold toads who seek to put Him in a test tube and then, tap, tap. The angry ones say, "We have Him!" The cold toads say, "We have Him!" He likes this thumping and tapping not at all! He does not want to be thumped, He wants to live in their minds, all the time. But yes, He holds all these things, things, things together for of Him and to Him and through Him all these things hold. Look out the window, all the trees and so on go on down, down, through many patterns of information, biochemical machines, patterns of information that He ultimately holds together for we gardeners, so we can talk!
I do not understand, just how many miracles do people want?!
No reply from Jeb? Is he dead in the head? Jeb, Jeb, what is it that you think thoughts are? Have you tried thinking without words before? Try it out! Are you writing down your thoughts here or are they naturally selected jibberish from a dead head? Nature calls, excrement happens?
"(at least, not one who exists outside of words)."
Silence? More words...I have many more words, you know. Very fast, faster thought, faster...hehe..
The parable of the Baker and the Butcher...There once was a Baker who made nice cakes, very, very nice cakes. He would make as many cakes as he wanted. If you knew this Baker, you could have your cake and eat it to. He would just make more, you see. He was the creator of the cakes. What he said, went on and on as long as he said it and created it.
But the Butcher, he could not make cakes. He tried and he tried. He said, the Baker can say and do whatever He wants! He was jealous of the Baker. He thought that the Baker could just do whatever he wanted by making such nice cakes for his friends all the time. He wanted to make the nice cakes and have the friends! But he just could not, for he was the Butcher and not the Baker. So here is what he did. He began steeling the Baker's sweetest cakes. And he told people they could have their cake and eat it too without being the Baker's friend. He could not steal all that many cakes. He could not make his own. But he wanted friends and he needed cakes to get them. He stole as many as he could. But he could not "really" make cakes. He set the cakes before people but many knew of the Baker who would let them have their cakes and eat cake too! So here is what the Butcher did. He stole only the sweetest cakes and as his friends were distracted by eating them he began to seek ways to blind them, stop up their ears, remove their taste, so that they would not see him or hear him nor taste the cake. Once he did this enough they had no eyes to see or ears to hear anymore and could not taste the cake so much either. So they ate cakes that were less and less sweet. It did not take the sweetest cakes anymore. But what the Butcher did, when he ran out of stolen cakes, was to eat his friends. For you see, he was hungry too.
What the hell have we been talking about? Well, if you point up there is a down. If you really want to "see" what hell looks like all you have to do is see how the creator of hell on earth works. I could show you, in His story, exactly what the sad endings "look like." But the beauty of it is, He is the Messiah and he seeks to save you, to fight for you, to stand with you against evil. There are beautiful stories and there are the ugly. That is a portion of what the hell I've been talking about. But you know, there is a creator of heaven too and you can look to patterns of heaven on earth to see what it "looks like"!!
I do not "really" like pointing down to evil patterns. But if you point up then you are in a way defining a down. So the higher the Word defines things, infinitely, the lower the anti-Word has to go.
So it seems.
Later! If anyone has questions, next time I'm pointing up! Enough with the down....but it will be defined as the down just by pointing up. Saying don't be stupid is the same thing as saying be smart. Etc.
You're right Jeb, it's a bunch of patterns of words/thoughts. Just like the Cosmic code...and just like your own mind. Far different levels, of course...and it depends on whose side you are on. You know who's side I seek to stand by? Seek and you will find...keep seeking, as you are. Onward, Jeb, onward... Later dude!
"No reply from Jeb? Is he dead in the head? Jeb, Jeb, what is it that you think thoughts are? Have you tried thinking without words before?"
This is why I doubt you MyNym. Someone doesn't respond soon enough for you (less than 9 hours?) and you jump on them, taunting them, "is he dead in the head..."
Is this the "truth" you walk with so closely? Where is God in that? Where is your prophetic/poetic voice in that?
And you keep talking about being nice and hurting feelings... Nobody's feelings are hurt! And I don't care if you're nice or not, I care that you're claiming to be buddy-buddy with God and all that comes out of your mouth/fingers is arrogance and the closed-mindedness you accuse us of having. You can have every book ever made memorized and recoginize as many thought patterns as there are stars, that doesn't make everything anyone else says that contradicts you to be wrong.
You are so busy questioning everyone else - and condemning them - have you ever stopped to consider that maybe you aren't perfect? Let me ask you this, how have you sinned today? Do you ever?
It's getting to the point, and has passed it for some, where people can't hear what you're saying through your words.
Ok, go ahead. I'll let you spin it all around like you always do, deflecting and avoiding the questions like you accuse others of doing, as if you are above criticism. I challenge you to respond without talking about anyone but yourself.
Wow! Good challenge. How about in Mynym!
Jeb,
I don't want to fight with you (I've had enough of fighting sheperds) but I just wanted to tell you that there is a real Jesus, who exists outside of words, and outside of whatever you or I believe about him. He is the Truth, and he is Love. He is very real, very kind, and very near to us.
Jeb Here! Mynym, I didn't know the professor had a deadline? Let me know what it is next time so my head won't be so dead. . .
Is it so hard to say what religion you are? B asked you directly, and you answer in riddles. I agree, all religion is a riddle. You must realize this too. I've got the Baker and the Butcher, is there a Candlestickmaker too?! HA HA. So is the Baker powerful at all? If he is, how does he allow so many cakes to be stolen? Does he care about the people? If he does, how come he doesn't stop the Butcher from giving the cakes away? And isn't cake alone REALLY BAD FOR YOU? Like, doesn't this town need any healthy food? THIS IS YOUR RELIGION! You're not going to convince me that you're not just making fun of the whole notion of religion with this story. You subversive athiest in gnostic garb! Delightful.
Thoughts aren't just words, honey. . . babies think before they have language. Many of my thoughts are images, scents, thoughts unable to be filtered into words at all. Words can help express and clarify, but they are not perfect by any means. But who cares, right? "It's all good," as you say!
You attack me, but we are the same, you and me. I appreciate how you subtly try to undermine the stooooopiiiiddd faith you find here. Come on, it's obvious! Oh well. . . I just thought you could use one ally who wasn't a family member. But sometimes an angry dog will bite anyone, friend or foe. . .
Ta Ta for Now, my closeted athiest buddy. I might be gone after this, depends if I want to take part in your charade any longer. I'll look forward to the zingers you send my way!!! Should be fun.
-- Jeb
"Let me ask you this, how have you sinned today?"
Well, a thought came into my head today of, "I want to be You." Which, when you are led to think about it you are saying I want to be the Mind of God. Now, this is a deep, deep sin! That is simply not allowed! What you get to be, is your true self, He fights to perfect, perfect, you. But you're still you and He's still Him. But you do not get to be Him, just be like Him. And since He is infinite who knows how far He is going to take you? I want to try to go along for the ride, you see.
"Do you ever?"
Not the way you all are sure to be doing! You leave it written all about in all your words, which are your own thoughts. Also many young men cannot speak forth with sound judgment, perhaps even fear to do so because of their secret sins that they refuse, refuse, refuse, to fight with Him against. In some sense, they know they will be bound by the words He leads them to speak, defined by His Word that He IS. And so, they simply do not speak, do not think, refuse. I can tell you what is "really" happening to them, though.
"I challenge you to respond without talking about anyone but yourself."
That is just silly. You have been talking about yourselves. Anyone who emails Jason will hear about Jason's visions, Jason's musings, Jason's disordered ducks that are not in a row, Jason's this, Jason's that. Perhaps, he is changing now and becoming more and more saved instead of becoming a fanatic with bloody hands. His own talent has been perverted against him. I do not know. He does not write, perhaps he fears to do so. This fear, it does not come from the One.
The same goes for you others. Generally, you are not talking about anyone but your very own selves, sorry souls. And there is great weakness still about you. But fortunately all the spiritual air was let out of the tires. It was harder than you think. Things are bigger than you think! But rejoice, He fights for you and gives you more chances, more chances, more chances. He fights for me too! So that I might become what I truly should be. However, if you refuse to fight, refuse to seek, refuse to speak, He might not be there next time to deflate the tires if you seek to re-inflate the tires and drive where you are going. He says to seek and you will find, you know. That is why I seek, seek, seek. What He says, goes...and goes and goes.
And if I am wrong about something, then I want it to taste very bitter so that I might know what is REALLY good and what is "really"/simper evil. This is what I seek to know. But you see, there seems to be very little iron here to slice evil and help me along. I came looking, you know. Know this, you will bear trace patterns of malevolent minds and their designs even after their jibberish, patterns of silly images, towers of false babelings, is bashed about and smashed to bits.
For Jeb, all that must be done is a prophet comes to town and says, "That's just wood and stone!" For you see, Jeb who is dead in the head seeks to say that his own mind is just matter and so it does not matter.
"He is very real, very kind, and very near to us."
The Word became flesh once and the Man's name was Jesus...his holy, holy, Holy Spirit is not flesh now.
If you believe so, you have been lied to by "seductive" false prophets. That is the way they work, you see. It is very simply, the spiritual is not the physical, no more than a circle is a square. Even if I was the last person left to say it, I'd say what I've been led to say, the Truth.
"Does he care about the people?"
The Fighter, He seeks to save the people. But if people offer themselves as living sacrifices before that which He fights, what do you want Him to do? They are getting in His way betraying Him and refusing to fight at His side.
You will have some "difficulty" here. You seek patterns of information and paths to say without "really" saying that there is something impure in the Fighter who fights against evil. Yet, at the same time, the evil that He fights doesn't "really" exist. Exactly what standard are you judging Him by, Jeb? Your own dead head? Nature calls to you, you listen, your own excrement happens.
"Thoughts aren't just words, honey. . . babies think before they have language."
Babies have feelings that are refined by words into thoughts. You know, sort of like you're trying to refine your excrement here without admitting that it is excrement.
And no, it is highly doubtful that atheistic support will convince anyone that "Christians" must be like the stupid ones. You are twisting all about yourself Jeb. You make judgments against the Fighter that rely on evil's existence even as you say good and evil don't "really" exist so what is He fighting for?
Now that....is stooooopid!
He's fighting for you! And you seek to blame HIM for it!
So...there is the pattern of the good Fighter. Let us look for a moment at the evil He fights when it comes to women. The patterns of people's lives have to do with something big, very BIG, you know.
A young lady wonders, seeks Him but cannot find Him. Does her own father love her? Does the Romance she seeks exist either? She wants to be sensed by Him, somehow. Perhaps there is no father and no young man in who she can see Him, her true Love. So her eyes turn to the mirror and a voice whispers, "There is something wrong with you..."
A woman....learns she is pregnant and learns that her husband is having an affair at the same time. She is driven on by hatred of his betrayal. To punish him, she kills the baby. Yet the remnants of her soul cry out! She hates herself for what she did. She hates her own soul so much that she wants to hate herself more...
The hell He fights against you see, is in the here and now too. If you have much of a soul left, you will not like it.
"...must be like the stupid ones."
Let me be clear, clear, clear...in so far as it is possible here. Those with a childish faith are not stupid. The stupid are the smart who try to be childish. The children, their faith, it is strong, strong! Even a child can already know what the wise must journey long, long, paths to come to know.
For Jeb, who is smarter, he has to begin the journey. And for one referred to as a "brilliant artist" he will not be able to seek the faith of a child (Although they are wise!) for if he does, he will wind up with the faith of a crybaby. For you see, he is not a child, not a baby! There are those who cannot be like little babies. Although out of the mouths of babes the same faith they seek and find can be spoken!
If anyone has any questions for one who has sought and found, this will be the place. Just ask, I will check back sometimes. But only here and not the whole place...
Onward, Jeb! Onward, Jason! Do not look back or wallow about...
I hope to see you guys, later!
Hey, Mynym… remember me, the childish one…
"If anyone has any questions for one who has sought and found, this will be the place. Just ask, I will check back sometimes. But only here and not the whole place..."
OOH, (hand raised in back of class) I have a question oh great teacher. Are you referring to yourself as the one who has found? Wow, how pompous. Mynym says “look, I have learned all there is to know about this universe we live in and any questions you simple, minded peasant have come and bow before my feet and I’ll grace you with the truth…” cough (excrement)
It is truly amazing how arrogant you have become? Though I will give it to you, Mynym, you are very intelligent, for a pretentious bastard. If you are happy with that, then I am also. I think that your pride has grown so large that it has blinded you and closed your ears (though I heard a rumor that it was actually excrement that clogged your hearing) to anything else others have to say.
Oh yeah, earlier compared Jason to Hitler, because Jason is charming and Hitler was also or something like that. Well, I believe you and Hitler have a little more in common, he was full of shit and one of the biggest son of a bitches to ever walk this planet, not that I’m putting you on the same level as Hitler. You just have that in common. bye
"Are you referring to yourself as the one who has found?"
But of course. Have you begun truly seeking? It is strange to come across a "group" who say they are seeking but do not seem to want to find anything but the "group." The Herd...moooo! Watch out, stampede!
I admit I used to be a lot more evil. Everyone thought I was a nice guy then and they think the same now. It never manifested, really. And I am glad for it. But this "nice guy" stuff, it hides a lot...doesn't it?
"Wow, how pompous. Mynym says 'look, I have learned all there is to know about this universe we live in...'
Read it again.
And then, when you're ready you can ask questions. There is no harm in it, you know. If I was Him then I could just take some dust and make some new eyes for folks. But you see, I am not a miracle worker. As far as arrogance and pride, same old patterns...well, they are complex judgments made after this thing called "thinkin'." And thinking in complex ways, why that's just hard! To hedonists, every judgment that does not suit their passions, personal feeeelings and friendships must be prideful, an attack, victimization, arrogance, etc. If the pattern is followed out it goes way down...until a good sense of the humors is not even allowed. Because that hurts the humors/body/feeelings. Makin' fun?! Ironically, it is the same pattern as always for the body wants to feeeeel good, yet it is eliminating the sense itself. And so, the body might still try to laugh but without a real sense of humor it is just fake, dead laughter with no sense! Nonsense....
To be clear, again, seeking to touch the Mind of God is not for every person. All have different gifts, Jason has a gift different from others. But if you DO choose to say "Well, I am a body part." then when the mind says, "You are doing something wrong." then the hand doesn't say back, "I disagree!"
Or....the hand gets cut off, like Jesus said, you know. It is not out of cruelty but because the hand is supposed to do what the mind says! He was a Metaphysician speaking in metaphors and parables but you who do not like "harsh" metaphors and parables cannot "really" like His. It seems you don't really like Him. This is why I don't know why the Herd bothers calling itself Christians, moooooo! you just follow each other, not Him. If you do not follow His type of philosophy, why bother claiming the name? It just doesn't make sense to me...but I suppose you have to have sense, to make sense. Maybe you should ask Him for sense so that you can make sense too. Because you've spoken a lot of nonsense here.
Wasted talent, worse than wasted...the gift of prophecy, turned and twisted to falseness! I need allies you know, like Prophets of Vengeance!
Oh well, you put forth your message publicly, so I put forth my message publicly. Whoever has eyes to see, will see. But, in real life...we could be friends anyway. Ironic, a strange thing...but if you were not friends with everyone in whom evil lurks you would have no friends. It's when it manifests that things get dicey.
If/then, if/then, shed light/time...Ian...in the future, a remnant is trying to fight evil and he seeks out paths to stand by with friends, moooo. He does not help. Why can't they just calm down and come back to the Herd?
Your thoughts matter because they have a way of becoming matter, manifested. I would just make some eyes for you to see with if I could. But I am not the Miracle Worker, the Mind of God! I can't just think you guys up some eyes to see from dust.
Later! He can though, He seems to be like that...
MyNym...i pray for you, honestly is this the real you? why do you cause so much tension with your so called intelligence? You know what i agree with Ian jesus is alive today, it says that he was raised from the dead, and then was around for 40 days, then went to heaven it doesn't say that he left his physical body here all of him went...anyway what does that have to do with him being real and alive with us today!! he is!! and you know it, well maybe you don't... jesus is real! i would figure you would know that.
you know the bible well it seems... then did you ever read any part that says don't judge your neighboor, for what measure you judge your neighboor god will judge you! you judge and you don't even give people a chance, i know for a fact that jason no way resembles Hitler ! why would you make such a comparison! i don't know jason all that well but i know by his actions, and his awesome family that he loves god, i am not saying he is perfect only the living jesus is!
i don't even know why i am writing to you i am hoping that you see who the lookmachine really consists of, real people with thoughts, ideas, amazing musical talents :) and most importantly i know for a fact of their love for jesus christ, they are men of god. so maybe you need to hold your tongue when it comes to harsh cruel words, and you know what i am thankful for you too and i hope that god blesses you.
in christ jesus
beth S
i hope you think before you speak
hey, everyone! Let's not waste any time or energy replying to mynym...pay no attention to the man behind the curtain! (anyone who knows what I"m talking about wins a prize!)
I'm sure he's just a wee little dude who is roaring very loud because he can hide behind his "mynym" persona.
I happen to know a little known secret== and I can't reveal my sources....Mynym is actually JASON!
Jason, T, Jeb, "not to B",
It really is amazing what happens when you look at the night sky. You know this, Jason! I was captivated by the moon tonight and as I sat and watched it, I just had a perfect image of what God is like and what we are like. Please allow me to share my thoughts. These thoughts were not written for you but for me, yet I know that they might be beneficial for you. So please have an open heart to hear for I speak from my own heart.
God, like the moon, is shining constant down upon his creation.
The earth is filled with clamour, concerns, restlessness- Moving aroud, bustling, trying to accomplish this and that as if we could mould the world in our hands into our own design with our own created end.
Yet shining above is a constant peace. A constant strength. Waiting for those who might rest their clamour- typing fingers, clinging pots- just to look up and consider it.
The stars are constant, they take the same course they have from age to age. Countless clamourous hands have busied themselves under the same sky. Looking for answers in their hands without ever setting down their keyboards and clinking pots to look up and see what has been there for ages.
Rest your hands, your minds. These things you all seek to find, if you dare to seek, it's not in your own hands. Maybe looking at the moon for yourself will help you to consider for yourself what has been here age after age. God's ways are not our ways, His thoughts are not our thoughts. Shall we try and debate the moon till it becomes the form we wish it to be? We could, yet we would never accomplish it.
You could type a speedy rebuttal to me. You could complain more about how nice or not Mynym is. Or you could take a few moments for yourself and go look at the moon.
In God's love,
N
N -- what is to rebut in that post? It's a perfect thing to do! Excellent suggestion! :-)
If we are all a brainless herd following Jason, Collin, Ian, Isaiah, and David, pass me the cud, dude!!!!
I would throw myself as a living sacrifice on their behalf any day! I would go to war for them, I would shave my head for them, or grow dreads! I would spend the amount of time it takes for a part time job to write a massive dissertation filled with odd little parables for them! I would tie myself to a train track and sing along with the whistle of the oncoming train--for them! I would dance with the devil for them (as long as he knows the funky chicken) and I would get all of their evil lyrics tattooed to my butt and wear only pants with the cheeks cut out! Cuz I'm crazy like that for the LOOK MACHINE!
I'm looking into the technology of getting a tiny chip (with all of their songs and all of their teachings designed to lead me astray) implanted into my forehead. These will soon be available for purchase on this weblog! Details soon.
I only wish they would hold another one of their Look Machine Getaways....remember the early days, when we'd all dress in black, Collin would staple our eyelids to our foreheads and Ian would keep us locked in a cell half our height...and then Jason would spread blood on ALL our hands...Isaiah and David would keep us up for nights on end, starving, and chant, "Embrace the dramatic, become a fanatic...." You guys have to have another one of those getaways...you promised us that next time if we brought a friend, we'd get all the free fruit punch we could drink!
When will there be Look Machine action figures? With posable arms (And crushable heads for the TRUE fanatics!)
Nighty night! Sleep tight!
--uberfan
N --
That moon that ought not be argued into something we want it to be?
Is that the same moon that the primitives thought was a god itself?
Is it the moon that people thought was made of cheese?
Is it the moon that people thought emited light, yet it's actually just a reflecter of light?
That moon?
And you're comparing it to God to "prove" that a two thousand year old theory about GOD is correct? Would you like to contend that God is made out of cheese too?
Who's arguing the moon into what they want it to be, eh?
--Jeb
"Who's arguing the moon into what they want it to be, eh?" --Jeb
You want to actually seek and actually find, not just accept or seek to be a fanatic with bloody hands. Accept...just because you're a fan of some band...or make it all up based on disordered ducks, trippy visions and musings. Fair enough!
But the element of truth to that poetry which says be softer, be softer...nicer, more like a woman. After all it is dangerous, the cold toads put Him in the Bible and thump, thump, thump. BLAM! It is raining toads! The philosophers seek to put Him in their own brains. Tap, tap, it is all here in the head. Boom! It rains brains. The Nature worshippers and scientists seek to put Him in Nature. Boooooom! We all die in a nuclear explosion.
Now the science geeks, they give everyone bigger and bigger weapons even as they undermine civilization and create animalization. Are they smart or not, that's not smart! Their glasses grow thicker and thicker as they have less and less vision. They do not see the big picture. They look up from the microscope and all its jots and tittles and they say, "Is it a jot?"
"Looks like a tittle to me!"
"How titilating!"
"Let's put it in a test tube!"
Then, they go home and read comic books. Later...here comes Ape-man in series of images, to save the day! Ape-man, but he is missing in action! Where is this mystery man? The geeks, they must find him! They seek him, he is their hero. They can't seem to find him! So, they write a comic book about this Ape-man, their hero. But they do not call it a comic book. Instead, they call it a textbook...
"I'm sure he's just a wee little dude who is roaring very loud because he can hide behind his "mynym" persona."
There is evil that exists and it is real. Now is the time to write forth with clarity because later, fascist cults based only on charisma might get some power and manifest it out. Censor writing, burn books, seek to silence, begin to kill babies...etc, on it goes. The Herd is nice to each other but there are key things that they hate. Why? That which really guides fascist cults hates certain people, etc.
Jeb,
The interesting fact here is that the longer we gazed at the moon the more we learned about it. We studied it and at this time no one can question whether it is made of cheese or not!!
You are exactly right about how different people had different perspectives of the moon. But you're missing one important thing!!! Has the moon ever changed in its character?
You help me prove my point! The more you study something to find out WHAT or WHO it is, the closer to the truth you will arrive!
Man COULD have talked about the moon being made of cheese and never decided to look at it with telescopes or TOUCH it- stand on it with their own feet! The more you truely seek to touch, to stand on truth, the more you will find what has been rock, and not cheese.. for ages.
Still with Love!,
N
"...why do you cause so much tension..."
Because, Herds have a way of stampeding...one day, if it all manifests out.
But some heads got knocked about with the Truth instead, which deflates the seductive feeeelings greatly. All the patterns of images being layed down and built in some heads were shattered for the jibberish and babelings they were. There was something being built, with its conclusions that were intended to become manifest one day...even becoming manifest already. But yes, when people do not believe their own selves and their own prophetic voice, then they probably really are just a stoooopid Herd, all dead in the head. This judgment, I can't make. He fights on for the ones who are still dead in the head! He fights on!
But you should thank the Truth that knocked them down, you know. Thank Him. And you should thank me because I seek to stand at His side. I am still here, as me. And once He gives me a weapon in the arsenal, I can then use it. It is my talent to use. He is the Giver who keeps on giving and the Maker who keeps on making.
Let the dead bury their dead, even if they are friends. Not nice? Not soft? Harsh? I wonder what the Man would say...not that the Herd actually cares what Jesus said. It causes tension, you know.
"Let the dead bury their own dead, but you go and proclaim the kingdom of God." --Jesus
For the dead, they are dead in the head.
"His thoughts are not our thoughts."
He said to try to be like Him. He is the one Man I can take at His words and not find them wanting. He is the One pattern of thought that is True. It is the only One I have found. I take Him at His words. That is all. Our thoughts are supposed to be becoming more like His thoughts although we cannot become Him. And besides, it is better than becoming a crazy fanatic with bloody hands, anyway.
Mynym,
Of course I agree that our thoughts should become like His thoughts. I merely use that verse to illistrate that it is not GOD who bends his form to what our minds want him to be, but it is us who should bend our minds to what truth, what evidence is put before us.
Us: "The moon is cheese!"
The Moon: rock.
Us: "The moon is a God!"
The Moon: rock.
Us: "The moon shines its own light!"
The Moon: Rock.
Us: Hmm now that we have actually studied this in depth- looks like the moon is Rock! Wow!
The Moon: Rock.
Because we studied it, all evidence now proves it to be inarguably rock. In the end our thoughts about the moon became consistant with the character of the moon.
:o) N
"In the end our thoughts about the moon became consistant with the character of the moon."
Indeed! And so, I try to put forth the patterns of evil and good very strongly, with strong distinction, (It is dangerous. Words that have to be eaten might taste very bitter this way!) so that people who are given eyes to see can seek out and try to be consistant with the good pattern. So that they might "see" it, His Beautiful Mind. So do this here, in the words and symbols, in the spiritual...so that evil never actually becomes manifest. One example, if an addict lays down in their own thought patterns and changes their physical brain, well, sometimes the brain is just changed. Perhaps, there is nothing to be done. It is a physical change. It is best to deal with the spiritual before it becomes the physical. You'll find it is easier to change your mind than to change your brain. So I seek to set forth the patterns forcefully!
But just know those who seem to be dead, dead, dead in the head might never agree with Him or me. How do they expect Him to save them, exactly? They seek evil and throw themselves before it even as He seeks to save them from it. Is it His fault that they are not saved? No, He is pure, pure as the driven snow. Evil is not His fault. He is the One to fight it!
Some of the different patterns:
One says, the symbol of the cross, it was His victimization at our bloody hands. Let's wallow in this evil. We have power over Him. It is a symbol of His death...weep...
But the other says, the symbol of the cross, it was the Fighter's great victory over sin! We have no power over Him. Not only couldn't we kill Him but He gives us clean hands too. Evil couldn't hold Him in hell and He fought right on through it for us and then just kept going up and to all nations now. The cross is a symbol of His great victory. Take up this symbol of victory and seek to follow Him! It is just when all hope seems lost...that He rises up. He laughs and laughs!
One pattern seeks paths to evil, the other seeks Him.
Take the Man at His words, seek and you will find. But seek as He says to. Again, take Him at His words.
Jeb, did you know that atheists tend to addictions, killing themselves, etc.? If you're against evil, why be for atheism?
Once upon a time, there were some nice boys who looked for birdies from the sky. Where are you birdies, they did cry! Now, some birdies heard and came down to the little boys.
But one of the little boys didn't feel like crying and called to an expert marksman in the woods nearby. The marksman had learned from the Master Hunter himself. So he took out his shotgun and shot a little birdie from the sky! But the little boys, they did cry and cry for the birdie from the sky. Each one he shot, they cried more. The hunter walked closer and said, "Look, this is actually some sort of flying lizard! It would have eaten your eyes! You should thank me." But the little boys, they said why, oh, why? So the hunter went back to the lodge. But came back again another day and the little boys were still looking to the sky. Now, the Master Hunter happened along this day and said, "This is the way it is done!" and shot the next birdie with a machine gun. Then the marksman took the machine gun, for everytime the Hunter gave him as weapon he could use it on his own. And he wanted to try it out some, so he machined gunned the lizard that was dead on the ground for the hell of it.
But the little boys said why, oh why does he shoot our little birdies from the sky...and did cry.
One upon a time Moses was on the mountain top. He had a lot of tablets of the law with him. Now, he came down and saw a bunch of people dancing around a golden calf. So he threw down some of the tablets of the law at them. Did he break the law! No, the tablets, they were strong. Some of the people said, "Missed me, missed me!" But then, thunk, on the head... Moses, he was a pretty good tablet thrower, pretty good aim!
Now, there came along this dude named Jebidiah. Jebidiah shouted up, "You just write those tablets yourself, don't you!" THUNK!
Moses replied, "Nope."
Later, dudes!
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