Wednesday, September 01, 2004

“As iron sharpens iron so one man sharpens another.”

When I sharpen my knife, I get out the sharpener, oil it carefully, open my knife, find exactly the right angle, and begin to sharpen it by grinding it gently but firmly in a specific way. There are no sparks that fly, no sudden quck movements, no obnoxious noise. You see, it’s about planning, precision, carefulness, and a knowledge about both the knife and the sharpener.

When you take two pieces of iron and start banging them into each other they don’t get sharpened! Invariably they get chipped, dented, and broken. Sharpening is all about finding the right angle of approach, and doing it carefully. Arguing with other people is not going to sharpen their iron! It will hurt the people you argue with, and in one way or another it will damage you.

Even if this were not the case, I would rather fight with an army that used slightly dull swords but fought together as a unit for a common cause than in an army where everyone had deadly sharp swords that they kept swinging at each other attempting to sharpen them.

We all are searching for truth, (many of us have dedicated our lives to this goal) and we are finding it! However, all of us are flawed, and none of us understand and possess all of the complete and perfect truth. Granted, some are closer than others, but we are all far from perfection!

Let’s face it, everyone reading this weblog has a different and carefully constructed belief system. Many of us have irreconcilable doctrinal differences. We could argue until Jesus came back and none of our minds would be changed. I personally know and count among my closest friends a Catholic, and non-demonational evangelical protestant, a reformed Presbyterian, a Russian Orthodox monk, and yes even a Mormon. I do not doubt the salvation of a single one of these people. Are there differences? Yes! Are some of them absolutely wrong about some of the things they believe? Yes! Are all religions morally equivalent? No! But I will be the first to admit that I am flawed and I’m sure that I believe some things that are not true… is that grounds to be sent to Hell? We will see, the Lord Judges the heart.

Romans 10:9 states clearly: “If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.” I believe this verse with all of my heart. If you believe in free will or predestination… if you are convinced that Joseph Smith was a good guy, if you think that God answers prayers directed to Saints, you will be held accountable to God on the final day of judgment. He knows the whole truth, and he knows everything that is in a person’s heart. But I believe that if you Believe in and Love Jesus with all you heart, admitting and repenting of your sins, that that is what really counts!

Please! Can we lay aside our differences, and embrace each other as brothers and sisters! As Ecclesiastes states “there is a time for everything, a season for every activity under heaven.” There is a time to debate, but there is also a time to look past our differences and see what we agree on! I believe that time is now. Also, I would submit that there is a proper place for everything. The fan website of a rock band is perhaps not the best place for endless and heated theological debate and argument. If any of you are interested in meeting with the band and discussing questions, concerns, or just having a spirited debate we would be more than happy to comply, but this is not the place.

The biggest reason that I am tired of this is because I see no good in it. I don’t think that any one has sharper “iron” as a result, but I do know that there is dissension and disunity as a result of all of these arguments. Jesus said “you will know a tree by its fruit” and the fruit of these discussions has been rather rotten.

If you read the Bible it is very clear that unity is one of the top priorities of Jesus. In John 17 Jesus is praying to the Father just before his death. He prays for all of the people who will come to believe in him later on. What is the first thing he says? “I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, that all of them may be one, Father Just as you are in me and I am in you.” John 17:20. I understand that true unity is more than not arguing, but it’s a step in the right direction. As someone already said, “a house divided against itself cannot stand.” And as the body of Christ we need to stand, and stand strong!

We need to admit that saying things such as “Jeb, Jeb are you dead in the head” to an atheist asking questions, or “up your butt and around the corner” to a Christian trying to defend their faith are not the inspired words of God. I think that everyone involved in this debate has been judgmental of others, come across in harsh and sometimes cruel ways, and been guilty of not being “quick to listen” or “slow to speak.” I am asking everyone to end the endless debating! Please for the sake of unity, time, and common decency let’s stop!

79 Comments:

Anonymous said...

Ian,

Much respect for what you said and how you said it.

I would like to point out, to everyone, 2 different types of rocks- stumbling blocks and stepping stones. Actually, they are both the same rock, it just depends on how you use it. If the stones we all approach in our discussions with eachother aren't used to bring us closer to truth, deeper in scripture, than we aren't growing, we are merely wasting our time, causing frustration (stumbling block), and dissolving this unity that Christ so prayed for. But you see, the absense of discussions where people disagree with eachother all together is not Godly, either. We can live in unity AND tell a brother something that they may not want to hear. (as iron shall sharpen, of course) No, just because iron is sharpening iron doesn't mean complete disregard for the other person. There should be MORE regard for the other person for the goal is not to sit in judgement upon, but to build up. Often, I see stepping stones being put in the path, and instead of people using it to step closer to God and closer in unity, try and avoid the stone all together, but unfortunately it becomes something that gets in the way. So here I have brought up 2 PROBLEMS that can occur when "using stones": (nooo I'm not talking about throwing stones, here!)
1. The person "placing stones" is actually sitting in judgement and primary goal is not the building up of the other.
2. The person recieving the instruction neglects the stepping stone and instead of stepping upwards creates discord.

Because there is discord does not mean that person #1 has instructed incorrectly. Because there is discord does not mean that person #2 has not sought out to use any instruction for learning. There is a balance of the two. Both are responsible for productive conversation! Usually it is not one side but both that cause for discord. My question to all of you, is how could you have possibly done anything different to create stepping stones out of these stumbling blocks put bewtween us? And What possibly can be done from here?

N

Thanks again for your post, Ian

9/01/2004 5:58 PM  
sha'uri said...

Welp.... I apologize if I have caused any discord or malice in anyone's heart, and if I have been wrong in anything I have said... you are my siblings in Christ and I love all of you... whether or not I know you well or agree with all you said... There is a place for debate, and there is a place to be silent. It seems people are sick of debate these days... So reread what I said in the beginning...

9/01/2004 10:19 PM  
Jayson J said...

Having known you all for the past six years, I think that guys are all awesome and are some of the most inspirational men of God around. I don't understand why some people would use this as a forum to hurt you or put you down.

9/01/2004 10:46 PM  
Anonymous said...

What can be done from here on out, you ask? Well, first probably everyone involved should apologize for the stumbling stones that they placed in each other way, no matter if intentional or not. And thus, because i've been the meanest, purposely cruel, had many, many unGodly things to say about certain people(who i have not seen for awhile and am wondering what he has to say about this new development), and not to mention most funny and certainly best looking, i will truthfully apologize to all. no more name calling or stick and stone throwing from me...

Childish


ps - how is the "up you butt" comment ungodly? Was i sacrificing too much for the price of comedy? it was a dumb, childish joke in attempts to bring greater joy to your life, and i was not referring to any particular person's butt. It was hypothetical butt, and the hypothetical butt was not supposed rear its ugly head and hurt anyone's feeling.

9/01/2004 11:17 PM  
sha'uri said...

this is WAYYY WAAAYYY off topic... but I thought this rocked and Ian would appreciate it especially.... go to www.albinoblacksheep.com/video/guitar it is really really cool!!!! make sure you have sound on the computer on which you go there because it is important. ok.... have a great day!

9/02/2004 8:47 AM  
sha'uri said...

Another REALLY off topic thing... but I would really appreciate prayer for school.... i'm a freshman in college... and am at that stage where the homework is alot of reading... thanks!

9/02/2004 8:55 AM  
Anonymous said...

Ian, way to go fella. You did a really good job of speaking truth in love. Honestly, I hope THIS finally does the trick to stop the fighting. I have to say that debating is best done when the topic of debate is clear and the argument is clear and concise. I think the main reason why I got annoyed at some of the people and their "quest for truth" is that they were rarely clear about the actual topic of debate and almost never concise. Plus, when you love people you get defensive of them when they are being attacked. I appreciate the fact that B and N were seemingly defensive of mynym because no doubt they are in someway very closely related to him. I have been very defensive of Jason and Collin because I am related to them and love them. I was offended by certain people not because they wanted to debate the truth. (we ALL like to debate jason sometimes,and he loves to debate). However, it WAS the way that the arguments were presented. Attempts were made to respond in a debate like manner and the opposing comments got more and more personal. Attempts were made to respond with scripture and the wrong judgement was made that Jason was hiding behind scripture and he didn't care about what the words meant. It is like a no win situation. Honestly, N is right, if all of those involved in the debate are humble and not trying to throw stones, than alot more will actually come of the debate. Plus, this is a freaking web log. Why is there so much "debating" going on anyway. To non christians, I am sure that the perpetual view that all christians think they are right all the time and refuse to see any other point of view, is surely being demonstrated here. This is really sad for all of us christians who work in ministry and have strived for so long to stop that stereotype from spreading. Please stop being so prideful and just agree to disagree. I am not saying stop debating, I am just saying if a topic cannot be resolved... MOVE THE HECK ON! Thank you for listening and have a wonderful day.

9/02/2004 11:47 AM  
Anonymous said...

"Honestly, N is right, if all of those involved in the debate are humble and not trying to throw stones"

Yes, Humble, not throwing stones, of course not. That's not quite what I said though. I was talking about stones building eachother up or causing to build a wall between. Maybe there are people throwing stones, but thats not what I was trying to talk about.
Just to clarify, since you quoted me.

N

9/02/2004 2:27 PM  
Anonymous said...

"I don't understand why some people would use this as a forum to hurt you or put you down"

That was not the objective. I think we have better things to do than to hunt people out cause we feel like putting someone down. Anyway, any of you have been reading my posts, should see that that is far from my objective.
I do enjoy being able to encourage others, build them up in the faith. Read my posts again, do you really find me guilty of trying to hurt others? Anyway, any other effort I spend here will be wasted. I am frustrated, but not bitter. I only hope you all continue to test and approve what you have learned *in scripture*. Consultation from friends does not equate to truth! Scripture is where you will find truth, not in conviction, not in feelings.

I want to explain to you the "spiritual train". The engine is FACT. The coals are FAITH, the caboose is FEELINGS. Faith, the coals, is put into what has been tested and approved to be Truth- Fact. Faith has no use being thrown into in the caboose. The train can run without the caboose, the feelings. But where your Fact goes, with the coals of faith being thrown into the facts, your feelings will soon be in line with the facts too. Draw it out for yourselves! It's a great diagram. (I didn't make it up myself)

FACT (engine).....FAITH (coals)....FEELINGS (caboose)

Okay, thats all from me. If you remember nothing else of my words, please remember the train.

train

train

train

(I figured if I wrote train a lot it would help remembering)

train

train..

N

9/02/2004 2:59 PM  
Anonymous said...

Oh, N, just to clarify, I wasn't exactly quoting, I meant to say, N is right....next thought...we should be humble and not throw stones.Sorry, sometimes my A.D.D. kicks in mid thought. Also, I wanted to say that I believe that you guys do mean to encourage. It is just sad that several people have commented that they think Jason has a problem with pride. This very well may be the case and I believe that as christians we are called to confront each other in love. However, I do not believe that a web log is the place to "call people out". Honestly, I am usually considered a fairly humble person, but if someone kept calling me limpy or gimpy and commenting negatively on nearly every opinion I had, I probably would respond in a way that might appear to be prideful as well. It seems to be like spanking a child in public and then telling them that they don't have the right to cry in front of those people. I don't know, this is just one girls opinion. By the way, I am well known for having a sense of humor and personally I wouldn't find "the childish one's" personal attacks funny either. Anyway, this is all that I had to say. goodnight and godspeed.
M

9/02/2004 4:03 PM  
mynym said...

“Jeb, Jeb are you dead in the head” to an atheist asking questions, or “up your butt and around the corner”

No we don't. He is becoming dead in the head and needs to be told so and why. Up your butt is just an expresion based on a sense of the humors. It actually has explanations. But now the sensitive calm down PC police are here! De-sensitivity training for all...that's what it really is. Deadness. You're not allowed to really be sensitive to life, humor, etc., just "calm down." It reminds one of the cold toads, thump, thump, thump!

There are some Christians that are so weak, one does have to wonder if they are even Christians at all.

The Lion of Judah, He roars! He senses life for He is the Sense itself. But all prissy pussies meow and spill the milk they were drinking.

9/02/2004 5:34 PM  
mynym said...

"It seems to be like spanking a child in public and then telling them that they don't have the right to cry in front of those people."

I said it before and I'll say it again, false prophets who speak forth publicly all over the place are to be met publicly! In politics and art.

If my brother was in POD and other bands I would have had absolutely nothing to say and would have said nothing but, "Right on!!!" Yes, I just made everything up because I'm a Big Meanie. Give me a break. Hehe.

But yes, the false prophets are typically such crybabies about it. They work by feeelings, so what is to be expected? The thing about false prophets is that they are gifted! So? Just change your mind. No biggie....ah, but it is a biggie. It is tougher than you think. You might need help! Look at Neitzche, false prophet of fascism, did not call out against it but said let the fires burn. They did burn, the Jews. But he was so talented! Yet, he went insane and wasted all his great brilliance. He will pay, one day. You cannot waste your great and good talents falsely and not expect to pay, one day. Or pay, here and now vs. other prophets.....If you work at cross purposes to Him and me, well, what do you expect? He is not some mere "nice guy." He is the Messiah!

"I don't know, this is just one girls opinion."

Maybe you can nurse babies back to health.

David has some iron, anyhow, he can help with the rest.

9/02/2004 5:43 PM  
mynym said...

"It is like a no win situation."

Well, that is correct. If you want to win, you have to be at the Messiah's side.

What you did not see was minds behind the curtains of the physical, going at it with symbols, speaking right on past you. It is nothing personal. It is less personal. There are minds behind the curtains, you know. Your physical brain is like a radio that gets tuned in.

As far as the white flag of surrender....yeah, that's fine guys. Just know this, the peacemakers are those who wage war to make the peace. They write the terms of surrender, for their's is the Kingdom. That is how peace is made.

As long as we work at cross purposes as prophets, there is no way past.

About this being just some words on a screen, etc. Well, the Book is just a book, etc. You know these spiritual things matter. You can stew, chew the cud...or whatever it is you do for a while. As long as we work at cross purposes then there is no guarantee I won't come back with the flame thrower one day. Yes, there is more than proto-Nazi, etc. Evil patterns are like that, they go deep, deep. Jason, I know you're a "nice guy," etc. I know! I know because I was exactly the same way...but still being evil. What I'm sorry about is your false prophet status. But that is not my fault. I wanted to like your art, etc. But I cannot.

Later, dudes!

You might want to stop chattering, chattering, chattering and rely on David for some guidance at some point. How do I know? ;-) The third eye, it sees many things...

9/02/2004 5:57 PM  
mynym said...

"Jesus said “you will know a tree by its fruit” and the fruit of these discussions has been rather rotten."

Evil political judgments and false art are rotten fruit. Get out the pruning sheers, clip, clip, throw the rotten fruit away. Unity is not everything. In fact, it is hardly anything at all. Everyone was very, very, unified in Nazi Germany and their fruit was bad art and bad politics.

A lot of your fruit is your art and politics, you know. This is where many things come to play, where spiritual issues manifest. Set the table, watch...and knock some heads...

Don't like it? Then you chose the wrong side. After all, if the liar, who admits to being a murderer, who has very bloody hands and still seeks to murder, is elected, what then? There has never been a candidate like this before who has a pattern of openly admitting to his own bloody hands, that I can remember.

I am concerned about bigger things than unity.

9/02/2004 6:15 PM  
mynym said...

I can and will stand alone, totally alone, on these matters. I do not care how many disagree, you see. It does not matter how many will seek to say that a circle is a square. Perhaps you just don't understand that. As I said before, you can make proto-fascism complete in fascism/censorship, as you like. You already manifest it in some ways. Identity politics, the Herd mentality, political judgments, false art...etc.

If you speak forth publicly on art and politics where things get tight and spiritual issues manifest, then expect to be met! Yet, I probably won't be around for a while. If you are curious about what "Set it off." BOOM! Everything is shaken...by the mere Word. What set it off. It's what sets Him off, evil. It sets me off some too. Yet, He dragged me along some, really...because then I had to stick around and explain prophecy so as to avoid the lunatic identity. Fortunately, He always makes sense.

Later dudes!

9/02/2004 6:31 PM  
sha'uri said...

If this is going to hurt someone... don't read it it is debate... sorry...

Am I confused? Are you God's right hand man who knows all truth? Are we all far out in the wilderness lost from the pastures completely and you are the only obediant sheep? I hardly think so... yet in calling
Jason a false prophet (that was who you meant no?)
you say that God's hand will be agains him.

Ezekiel 13:9
My hand will be against the prophets who see false visions and utter lying divinations. They will not belong to the council of my people or be listed in the records of the house of Israel, nor will they enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the Sovereign LORD.

Do you think that this applies to him? I don't. I think he is God's child. Is he misguided in some instances... sure! but SO AM I!!!!! and so are you. does that mean we are false prophets leading people astray so that they won't follow God? nope.

And what was that whole deal about nursing babies back to health??? Yes God intended women to be nurturers and that rocks... but it seems to be said with some distain...

9/02/2004 8:27 PM  
Ian - band member said...

I understand that you are upset, and disagree!!! However I think that the only way to end a destructive debate is to stop debating. So while I understand your points, and appreciate you sticking up for the band, I would like to ask you (and everyone else) to stop this debate for the time being. Thanks.

9/02/2004 10:34 PM  
joshsetsfire said...

and i thought the debates on my band's web site were stupid.
mynym you know you look like an idiot. i know my brother has taken the high road here but i am not as "take the high road" as he is. There is no debate here. Stop calling my brother a false prophet. It is rude and comletely untrue. Do you guys know how stupid you make Christians look? I dont see any love in your words which are psuedointellectual at best. (I can you now making some reference to Nazism...yawn! it has been my experience that when people have a weak case they play the "Nazi" card. Nothing is cut and dried, not even Nazi-Germany.)
Do you know how much better your energy would be spent handing out blankets to the homeless or even sweeping a shelter than attacking a band that doesn't even have a record out yet? I would recomend some kind of ministry that doesn't involve interpersonal interaction because you seem, well, kinda crazy and completly unfit to be around people.
So to end this, I thought you were funny at first you know but now I see you as poison or rodent that must be eradicated. Stop posting (i really wanna cuss here but I wont cause i think my mom may read this!) Seriously. You are now affecting people's lives and that is not cool. You sound like you need a girlfriend.
josh

9/02/2004 11:49 PM  
Anonymous said...

Hey Mynym, serious question do you like the attention you get on this website? i bet you do. I also bet in "real life," hate to break it to you this isn't actually "real life," you don't get much attention. You love it though don't you. i know you do. so go ahead and protray yourself as the crazy prophet, whose vision is so ahead of his time, fighting evil in the name of God. But what you sow here, you may reap else where.

9/03/2004 12:15 AM  
Anonymous said...

"Do you guys know how stupid you make Christians look?"
"You sound like you need a girlfriend."

Josh, At least Mynym stands up for what he believes without taking cheap shots.

9/03/2004 8:25 AM  
sha'uri said...

Ok... I'll stop debating... at least on this strain... maybe something more benign will come up that isn't as heated and people are just having fun on... unlikely though.... pictures are nice... jason? can you post some more?

9/03/2004 10:15 AM  
Jayson J said...

I think I agree with Josh here.. I often wonder about the mental health status of people who feel the need to come to a message board and berate, belittle, and abuse people that they hardly know.
I don't know of one single person who has been argued into believing the truth. MyNym, if you really truly believe that my friends here are all false prophets and need to repent of their evil ways, the best thing for you to do is to spend time in prayer for them. Pray that God will change their hearts, because arguing with them will never work. The only person that that can change a person's heart is Jesus. That is his job, not yours.

9/03/2004 10:54 AM  
mynym said...

"...now I see you as poison or rodent that must be eradicated."

This is exactly what the Nazis said about Jews and people of the Book. The "rigid" ones who would just not agree. You see, it is all fun and games, hedonism, until someone actually says something Nazis disagree with. As long as a wise man makes signs and wonders which they can wonder about, have fun, make fun to have fun, etc., it's fun! But then, the bundle speaks differently on some issues. The Blood speaks, based on blood...

And so on. Nazism is not a card to play, you can't just "make it up," it is a historical fact of His story. And you, are proto-Nazis, if not Nazis now, as you have just indicated and indicate repeatedly unawares. This is the reason I speak forth, so that it never manifests out. I can show you what it looks like as a matter of historical facts.

But...later dudes!

I did have some fun signs and wonders today but I have to leave. Yes, as usual, you have no idea what you're saying. Some other time...

9/03/2004 2:22 PM  
Anonymous said...

Jeb Here -- Mynym, I'm on your side. I despise these Christians too. Don't lump me in with them. Please.

9/03/2004 10:34 PM  
Ian - band member said...

N, sorry, I haven't been trying to put off answering you, I've just beeen really busy!

I think that we could have done things better by everyone respecting the other side a lot more. There were too many cheap shots, to many unrelated arguments.

From here I would say, maybe we should just stop, at least on here.

9/04/2004 2:43 PM  
Ian - band member said...

Jase,
Thanks for the title! It looks a lot better.

9/05/2004 12:50 AM  
mynym said...

"...now I see you as poison or rodent that must be eradicated." --Josh

"...Hitler concluded, he had to “ruthlessly exterminate the vermin.” "
("Annihilation through Labor": The Killing of State Prisoners in the Third Reich
Nikolaus Wachsmann
The Journal of Modern History, Vol. 71, No. 3. (Sep., 1999), pp. 624-659)

Socialism and physical health put before the "poison" of the Hebraic influence, the Jewish influence, etc., those who dare "victimize" by speaking Truth. Just make sure people are physically healthy and the trains run on time, then everything is a-okay! Of course the Herd is just a bundle of "nice guys" being victimized by anyone interested in telling the Truth. Even if it manifested out they'd still be calling themselve nice guys, even with blood on their hands and the murder in their hearts becoming murder indeed.

Those who follow charismatic leaders and delve into the occult have always had the same "thought patterns." What a happenstance! These little tykes, vain glorious ones who cause "vain imaginations" and idiotic patterns of images that make no sense whatsoever. Hey, I thought mice were nice! Remember? Are not all mice, nice! Never has made much sense....

Yes, the Truth should affect your "real life." It should give you pause. Not that it will. It has been my experience that some minds are just plain old shattered, especially those dealing in the occult. There is always the next pattern of images to call forth with some symbols. But it is best to fight for them anyway. All things are possible with Him.

And so a parable of Cain and Abel

Once upon a time there was a man named Cain. He tilled the soil. He was a vegetarian. He thought to himself, "See how pure I am!" He looked at his brother one day and saw that he killed animals. He thought to himself, "His hands are bloody!" But look at mine, they are clean. He began to think, "Why does he kill the animals. It's just not nice." Then he began to feel, "It's just not nice! But I, well, I am nice....obviously." Then he began to see his brother a little differently. He began not to have the eyes that saw his brother as a human, instead he saw him as some sort of animal. Then, he thought, "Why...he is just a vermin! But I am nice. I am the nice one here. Why doesn't the One like me! See how they victimize me!" So he took a rock and crept up behind his brother...

Yet, later...Cain's vain imaginations left him and as
he looked at his hands, there was blood on his hands.


The Holy Spirit sees you, you know. He is the only thing holding your physical being together as we speak, after all. You exist only because of the Mind of God.
I tell you the truth, there will be those who kneel and testify with blood on their hands who will say, "Lord, Lord..." but will be turned away to the sinister left...

9/06/2004 9:06 PM  
mynym said...

"...by everyone respecting the other side a lot more."

You are weak. I did in some sense become weak to the weak and still have, in not blasting everything. "Let's talk about a little thing called philosophy, truth and patterns of thought...." Etc. But even that makes Victims, supposedly.

"Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruning hooks into spears. Let the weakling say, "I am strong!""
Joel 3:10

You see, there is a time when the time for becoming weak to the weak has passed. There also comes a time to get out the flame thrower of righteousness and just burn the trees that bear bad fruit to the ground. Then, perhaps next spring, they will be born again. That is, if the roots don't have maggots in them too. And if someone stops putting bugs and maggots all over the trees.

As far as one side vs. the other, it has been me vs. the Herd, pretty much. No men of God, no men who know His vengeance and justice well...and here is the Herd's methods in reply to the Man, a little summary of how it does away with the living Logos and tries to kill something.

"Despite its logical untenability, the genealogical method holds a great attraction for Foucault and his followers. In debates with their opponents, especially if the opponent is a 'positivist' or a 'piecemeal empiricist,' they hold what they believe is an unassailable position by focusing on *who* is speaking rather than on *what* is being said. They use the genealogical method to absolve themselves of the need to examine the content of any statement. All they see the need to do is examine the conditions of its production--not 'is it true?' but 'who made the statement and for what reason?'. This is a tactic that is well known in Marxist circles where, to refute a speaker, one simply identifies his class position and ignores what he actually says."
(The Killing of History: How Literary Critics and
Social Theorists Are Murdering Our Past.
Keith Windschuttle. (The Free Press. NY.) (1997) :132)

When the occult/socialists seek to kill His story exactly what are they seeking to kill?

Kill His story and kill Him, eh? You keep talking to the hand, kill the hand too? Burn the books? It's really a none issue. If you ever do realize why you will realize why effeminate emotional manipulations, vain imaginations, gossiping, etc., do not faze me. I am the messenjah! Hehe...knowing the Man has vast, vast benefits! You can only imagine...yet the Herd is losing the capability of doing that either. Pity the Herd...

9/06/2004 9:24 PM  
mynym said...

"Jeb Here -- Mynym, I'm on your side. I despise these Christians too. Don't lump me in with them. Please."

Jeb, your gift is thinking. It is being turned against itself. You are being turned against yourself. If you are really against evil then you had best hope that the churches become strong, not weak, as the occultic Herd is.

Atheistic scientists can come into alliance with the occult and make use of weakened churches, e.g.
"The Christian churches build on the ignorance of people and are anxious so far as possible to preserve this ignorance in as large a part of the populance as possible; only in this way can the Christian churches retain their power. In contrast, national socialism rests on scientific foundations."
(Ernst Helmreich, The German Churches Under
Hitler: Backround, Struggle, and Epilogue
(Detriot: Wayne State Univ. Press, 1979) :303)

It is because there is little difference between spiritual monism "We are the body!" and materialist monism "Scientifically, you are just your body."

Try thinking in the pursuit of Truth instead of doubting Jeb, you never know...you might like it. Anyone who believes in basic logic and facts is in some sense on my side.

9/06/2004 9:30 PM  
mynym said...

"The fan website of a rock band is perhaps not the best place for endless and heated theological debate and argument."

Just know that you brought your rotten fruit of rotten art and rotten political judgments to the table. And you have sought and sought to defend them in one way or another...while simultaneously surrendering and declaring yourself a Victim. Some people are all tittles that give nice sweet milk of mercy and grace but no jots that speak of vengeance and justice.

This is because you "feeel" in certain patterns. That which you apparently have no idea of.

But I will give you some idea of it.

Later dudes!

9/06/2004 9:35 PM  
mynym said...

Replying to the whole bundle of sticks....

"I often wonder about the mental health status of people..."

There is no such thing as a mental health. So you can stop wondering. But you do have your finger on the medicalization part of fascism there. It is to be medicalization and incarceration for people who dare disagree! "They must be insane or somethin'. We smart ones, we know. We feeeeel it. Plus, the little birdies told us so!"

Yes, you can read all the disdain into that you want to, fellas. Viewpoints that are contemptible, are contemptible. Eventually, perhaps Christians who are not of the occult and so on will have their children taken away because they are not "mentally healthy." It already happens. What is mental health, you ask? Well, it is just something made up by psychologists to make money. Your brain can be clinically healthy or unhealthy but your mental state, your spirit, is just that.

A circle, is not a square.

"Are we all far out in the wilderness lost from the pastures completely...."

It would seem so, just about. It is a possibility to consider.

"....yet in calling Jason a false prophet (that was who you meant no?)
you say that God's hand will be agains him."

Your point is? You seem to feeel that God's hand isn't against anyone. Yet, it is.

"Do you think that this applies to him? I don't."

Why not? Is that your feeling or did you just get a vision? Was it a little birdie?

"Yes God intended women to be nurturers and that rocks... but it seems to be said with some disdain..."

God did not intend men to act like women or for women to smother men. Or for there to be places where the women are women...and the men are too, as in the occult.

"To non christians, I am sure that the perpetual view that all christians think they are right all the time and refuse to see any other point of view, is surely being demonstrated here."

For so-called "Christians," some people sure do invoke a TON of patterns of images and symbols that are of the anti-Christ. Again and again and again. These patterns are built up with certain ends of bloody hands ultimately in mind.

Yes, that Christ...thinking He was right all the time, I tell you! What was He thinking? What would He have people think, that they can be right or somethin'! His followers, they should probably think they are wrong all the time. That would be better.

9/06/2004 11:07 PM  
Anonymous said...

Let's compare and contrast. . .

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." -- Apostle Paul (a Jewish Intellectual)

"God did not intend men to act like women or for women to smother men. Or for there to be places where the women are women...and the men are too, as in the occult. " -- MyNym

"The slogan "emancipation of women" was invented by Jewish intellectuals. If the man's world is said to be the State, his struggle, his readiness to devote his powers to the service of the community, then it may perhaps be said that the woman's in a smaller world. For her world is her husband, her family, her children, and her home. But what would become of the greater world if there were no one to tend and care for the smaller one? The great world cannot survive if the smaller world is not stable. We do not consider it correct for the women to interfere in the world of the man. We consider it natural if these two worlds remain distinct." -Adolph HitlerThe so-called granting of equal rights to women, which Marxism demands, in reality does not grant equal rights but constitutes a deprivation of rights, since it draws the woman into an area in which she will necessarily be inferior. The woman has her own battlefield. With every child that she brings into the world, she fights her battle for the nation. -- Adolph Hitler"I detest women who dabble in politics. And if their dabbling extends to military matters it becomes utterly unendurable. In no section of the Party has a woman ever had the right to hold even the smallest post.


In 1924 we had a sudden upsurge of women who were interested in politics. They wanted to join the Reichstag, in order to raise the moral level of that body, so they said. I told them that 90 per cent of the matters dealt with by parliament were masculine affairs, on which they could not have opinions of any value. Gallantry forbids one to give women an opportunity of putting themselves in situations that do not suit them." -- Adolph Hitler -- T!

9/07/2004 10:35 AM  
mynym said...

“About three years before the Nazis came to power we had a patient at the Institute who had a liason with Roehm. We were on good terms with him, and he told us a good deal of what happened in his circle...He also referred to Adolf Hitler in the oddest possible manner. ‘Afi is the most perverted of us all. He is very much like a soft woman, but now he makes great propaganda in the heroic morale’.”
(Magnus Hirschfeld. Quartet Books, New York,
1986. Wolff, Charlotte M.D. :438)

What is this personal stuff that was hidden?

Hitler's methods and mode, his pattern of propaganda was based on effeminacy. His own pattern fit a decadent Republic in which men were effeminate or weakened. Wise men, they know these patterns. "Will you tell me how to prevent luxury from producing effeminacy, intoxication, extravagance, vice and folly? .....I believe no effort in favor of virtue is lost."
--John Adams

Then when the Republic is in decline and civilization too, there are no men to fight for it. I do not have time to go into it now. The thing about the occult, is that it is hidden. That is what occult means. It means...hidden away, in darkness and lies. That's why you can't go by what is said in public by the occult. It just twists things and the subtle shifts are even there too, though. All the visions and so on, aren't supposed to be public but personal. I do not have time to go into this. But perhaps later I can write of that which made Solomon sing! Romance...and then my little toad, perhaps you can see if you want to remain a toad...or be kissed by a Prince! Let us shed light on all things...

If you really want to know how His story goes and how your story could be then you've come to the right place, toad! But if you just want to render one verdict, you might have difficulty.

9/07/2004 4:46 PM  
mynym said...

I don't have time to write songs of Solomon right now. It would be fun, maybe some other time. Let's just say that every action movie is not just like Nazism because it shows a masculine man and the Nazis wanted heroes too. Nor is every Romance movie just like Nazism because it shows men as masculine and women as feminine. I tell you what, all these Nazi movies! And then there's the cinema bathrooms which distinguish between men and women. What Nazis! Don't they know that men and women are the same? Hehe...

You should note that Nazism is just one pattern of evil and fits into a bigger picture. It does not define it but fits it. Stalin killed more people as a matter of physical body count....but everyone seems to have a spiritual sense that Hitler carried the essence of evil itself. This spiritual sense of evil, is true. Even Jeb has it.

But here is the typical atheistic argument, "God you let evil exist! Therefore, I won't believe in you. So...take that, God!" Read the beginning of Job to find His opinion on this.

...you are being rather silly. Note that Paul as a Talmudic scholar, who had divine revelation added on top of it would know exactly why. So the Nazis hated him as much as people of certain thought patterns hate me.

Later!

9/07/2004 8:56 PM  
Anonymous said...

Who hates MyNym? Everyone here enjoys him quite a lot I think! Here we are now, entertain us. . .

T

9/07/2004 11:22 PM  
mynym said...

"Here we are now, entertain us. . ."

If you fail to see Him in the patterns and story it will be on your head, in the end. If you try to take His good gifts but do not seek Him, it brings trouble. I know because I tried it. But yes, there is nothing wrong with fun! It is good because He is good.

Are you sure you do not want to be my toady, toad? I see you trying to trace out some patterns of good and evil...trying to seek and understand the good. Perhaps you are even trying to get out of dissection mode. That is good! But you will have to deeply understand intelligent designs before seeking to understand malevolent designs like evil. One is of the light, sight and love and the other is of the occult/hidden and darkness. So the One is easier to see!

How about a parable about it, of little Timmy...One day, little Timmy's mommy told him to go into the back yard and rake all the leaves up. Now, little Timmy did not want to rake all the leaves up! So instead, he went off and played in the woods. He came back inside. His mom looked out and said, "I thought I told you to rake all the leaves up!" But he said, "Well, I did and they all blew back around because of the wind." He thought he was a smart one. But his mommy, she was pretty smart too! So she went out and looked at the leaves carefully. Then, she figured she'd look at the edge of the yard where it was a little wet. And there, she saw a foot print or two in wet leaves, just a few but also leading to the woods.... Little Timmy got a spanking!

You see, in the incoherency of chaos and the like there are still some patterns. There are still some little foot prints, tell tale signs....such tattle tails, some signs! You have to know where, how to look and how to draw some things forth.

But intelligent design is rather simple. You look in the backyard, see all the leaves in a neat little pile and say, "Hmmm, little Timmy raked all the leaves into a pile." You do not say, "Hmmm, the wind must have come along and done it, naturally. So now, I will spank little Timmy for playing in the woods."

Well, I will stay here in this section. The other one seems rather cheesy! Also, there are only so many times one can walk the pattern of certain minds, "We surrender!" But then one gets out their little tiny rusty and dull knife and tries to stab you in the back as you walk away. You feel the little scratching on your back and say, "Hmmm, feeeels funny!" and turn around with the flame of righteousness and the sword of Truth. But then, "We surrender! Don't hurt us! Besides, you must be a Big Meanie if you do! Or prideful...or something!" And so on. As hilarious and fun as this pattern can be and as much as you might want young men's minds to open up, up, up, with His vast strength....you have to be moved by pity for the little tykes at some point. And I am. I do see change in the wind! What was it..."Driving, hard music..." or something! Haha! Down with effeminacy and down with fascism, down with the occult!

Tomorrow, perhaps I will try to explain how symbols, what are supposedly mere pixels on a screen can shed "light" in a way, change a spiritual mind, changing brains, changing the world. What a wonder!

And a sign too....right, toad? Can you read the more complex signs yet? Here are some basic patterns, men are men...and women, well, they are women. Get it?

9/08/2004 5:13 PM  
mynym said...

Jeb, what is it that you hate about evil?

9/08/2004 5:18 PM  
mynym said...

"...for you are all one in Christ Jesus."

This is true, by the way. But what do you think it means?

9/08/2004 5:19 PM  
mynym said...

Later dudes!

9/08/2004 5:19 PM  
mynym said...

I have some time, this time.

Let there be light! All who have eyes, let them see. The eye is the window to the I. You can see right on through! That one is vain. That one is fearful. These are the I of the eyes. Some codes are more cryptic but most can be read. The mannerisms, the tell tale signs, such tattle tails, the tales! Some books seem to have only a few pages to read before the signs are a jumble, chaos. Why is what should be written becoming the unwritten? How does that make you feeeel?

People do not have eyes that happen to see. They have eyes designed to see. Designed, for signs. But the young men who are vain are blinded by vanity, vain imaginations, images, pictures, no true sight. In their vanity they do not see, now that stinks! Hehe...

A vast design...of many signs...
One retinal nerve cell in one hundredth of a second would need the mechanical processing power to solve 500 simultaneous non-linear differential equations 100 times. The eye is designed with the structure of light in mind, the design fits it perfectly. One photon can BOOM, set it off! There is more to seeing than meets the eye. The symbols and codes, information patterns written in the inanimate go through the eye, trail off through the brain, into fields of space-time, matter and energy. The mind is what sees. It sees the point. It sees something to be the case.

But those who have become vain, vain, vain in their imaginations really begin to have no imagination. They are narcissists, closed off from the world of sight! There are none so blind as these. How can you see the images if you do not understand? How can you understand if you do not know what to stand on, what is under sight? Who has insight, let him speak.

"His existence is identical with his essence and his true reality, and his essence is his existence."
Maimonides, Jewish sage

"SO AHAM ASMI. This is the great ineffable name of God, 'I am that I AM,' That Supreme Being which indwells in Asu is the I AM." Madhvacharya (c. 1238–1317) Hindu sage

"There is a being, God, whose essence is His very act of existing." Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274) Catholic philosopher

But some young men, have become vain in their imaginations.....more pictures, more pictures, you know.

9/09/2004 7:26 PM  
mynym said...

Let the flame of righteousness burn through the darkness, lighting up the hidden, the cult of the occult!

R, you are wrong.

"It is pretended, that I am retarding the cause of emancipation by the coarseness of my invective and the precipitancy of my measures. The charge is not true. On this question my influence--humble as it is--is felt at this moment to a considerable extent, and shall be felt in coming years--not perniciously, but beneficially--not as a curse, but as a blessing; and posterity will bear testimony that I was right. I desire to thank God, that he enables me to disregard "the fear of man which bringeth a snare," and to speak his truth in its simplicity and power."
(William Lloyd Garrison 1805-1879)

The publisher of the Liberator...he had many death threats made against him. Who feeeels that these righteous men feel their fear? Mental retards...who dares tell them not to use the Book! Who snivels that the beauty of flowing logic and stories are right...but sets the weakness of so many vain imaginations against righteousness?

"Familiarity with that great story of redemption, when God raised up the slave-born Moses to deliver His chosen people from bondage, and with that sublimer story where our Saviour died a cruel death that all men, without distinction of race, might be saved, makes slavery impossible.
Because Christians are in the minority there is no reason for renouncing Christianity, or for surrendering to the false religions...."
--Charles Sumner, staunch abolitionist
and one of the founders of the Republican Party

There is no reason to surrender to the occult! Nor to stop shedding light...let those who are vain and becoming insane surrender, let the occult surrender....as it must, the light is strong.

It is only after the battle is won and the light shed, that people look back and see. That is easy for them but how many surrender and stand by? Many do....perhaps they are stuck in their own sins. Do they suck at the tittles of mercy and grace often? Now, that would suck. For they would suck.

9/09/2004 7:44 PM  
mynym said...

Who will determine, just who is the vermin?

Sometimes the mice, they fight back! Now, these are the mice that are truly nice!

"And so it went for the first few days, the poorly armed defenders giving ground before the attacks of tanks, flame throwers and artillery but keeping up their resistance. General Stroop could not understand why “this trash and subhumanity,” as he referred to the besieged Jews, did not give up....

'Within a few days [ reported] it became apparent that the Jews no longer had any intention to resettle voluntarily, but were determined to resist evacuation . . . Whereas it had been possible during the first days to catch considerable numbers of Jews, who are cowards by nature, it became more and more difficult during the second half of the operation to capture the bandits and Jews. Over and over again new
battle groups consisting of 20 to 30 Jewish men, accompanied by a corresponding number of women, kindled new resistance.'"
(The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany. William L. Shirer. (Simon and Schuster) 1990 :976-977)

Uprise! Evil, your time has come. If God is with you, nothing else matters. Blessed are the
peacemakers...for they have fought to make peace.

9/09/2004 7:50 PM  
mynym said...

Who were they, anyway? Thinkin' they are the people of God. How prideful...and arrogant of them! How intolerant and narrow minded. Maybe they just needed a cup of coffee...or a girl?

Hey, my ducks are all in a row. It is better than disordered ducks. Look at my ducks in a row! And now I will have them fly about my head in a halo. And now, attack formation! On my little ducklings, onward!

9/09/2004 7:55 PM  
mynym said...

Someone has had hatred in their heart toward Gimpy! This nice little devil? What a no, no. Do not worry, I can make the little devil dance and act much more merry for you!

Perhaps some other time...

The parable of the Southerner...once upon a time there was a young man who lived in the South. Now, his brother was an abolitionist always flaming away at everyone and writing pamphlets. But he, well he was nice. He knew this was so because he looked nice and spent his time being nice. He went to parties and made friends. He was handsome and with his dainty hand he put on some perfume, then took a sip from his snifter, then put some snuff in his mouth. He looked at a slave and thought, "Hmmm, they look like an animal. But look at me and how good I am." Then he looked through his family portraits and thought, "How nice." There was something niggling in the back of his mind, the type of things that his brother would say. Always, just words, though....he tried to put them out of his mind and so another image came to his mind, "Maybe my brother is just a stinky animal too. But how nice I must be for do I not look like it!"

Then with his dainty hands he pushed his long hair back and put on some more perfume. How nice! He went out to the stables and got a slave to get his nice horse ready. It was a beauty. He thought, "Look at my beautiful horse....but the slave, he is ugly." Then he got on his nice fast horse and road quite fast. He was very vain about this too. But he road a little too fast this day and his horse slipped into a ditch around the corner and he fell off, broke his neck and died.

9/09/2004 8:11 PM  
mynym said...

Hmmm, I did know a vain young man once.

He is dead now. Ending on a sad note today...



Later dudes!

9/09/2004 8:15 PM  
mynym said...

The bundle of sticks, they stick together! Take them apart, then put them together and pick the whole bundle up and spin it about the head and let the flames from the halo rise!


A thinking man's parable, a journey of the mind.

Once upon a time there was a daddy thought and a mommy thought, going on a journey through the mind with the weeee ones in the back. The weee ones said, "Are weee there yet?" And the daddy thought said, "We are here, which is not there, but here." And the weee ones said, "Weeee, weee are here!" Then the mommy thought said, "Do you want some food for thought?" And the weee ones said, "Weee!" So she gave them some food for thought, from her own tittles, it was milk. The daddy thought, thought, "I could use some food for thought but not the weee one's milk!" Now, there's a thought, he thought. Then he said, "Now I must keep my mind on the road. It looks like there's a brainstorm in the head, ahead!" At this, the weee ones said, "Weeee!" And the mommy thought, thought, "We had best be careful, cautious, for the weee ones."

Then the weee ones said, "Weeee! Weee have to peee!"


Later dooods...

9/10/2004 4:42 PM  
Anonymous said...

The way you speak of women disturbs me. You should join the priesthood perhaps?

9/10/2004 9:16 PM  
Anonymous said...

From what I understand he already lives the celibate lifestyle. With the sick attitude that he has towards women and the prideful heard that is un-correctable, it doesn't appear that the situation will change, so the priesthood may be a good option. I don't think there are any women who would put up with the emotional abuse they would be sure to receive. It is sad and scary at the same time.

9/11/2004 11:14 AM  
mynym said...

"The way you speak of women disturbs me."

What disturbs you, life and the creation of life? The design of men and women and their unity would you seek to abort it? Can you not read such simple signs? Are you a Victim of your own disturbing absurdity? Who will believe that you are a Victim of the simplest Signs, the Word and Life or the Truth?

The witless wonders wonder, for they have been disturbed from their slumber. They drool, will the mental retards seek paths to murder as proof of their looove? Yes, such great looove has always been among the bundle of sticks. Then in their vain imaginations, the sticks that once stuck so closely, the sons of Cain, they will turn on each other with their bloody hands!

But the future does not disturb the absurd. They are in the physical present, what of the future? For some absurd turds, they are hard to disturb. They have settled to the bottom and then they come out in all their vain glory as if they are not still what they are. Look, there is one. And the excrement is:

Murderous thoughts and attacks on a person are not disturbing but telling the truth about all designs and signs, now that disturbs! How frightening!

But the righteous men, do you feel they will fear your fear, little one?

9/11/2004 2:56 PM  
mynym said...

"From what I understand...."

You do not have the eyes that see and so your I cannot see what is under. It is blind. You claim to understand but do not know what you are standing on. How absurd, to seek to deny the simplest of the signs and symbols and then continue speaking as if you have an understanding. What are you standing on, a firm foundation? Feeelings? Little birdies from the sky?

"...he already lives the celibate lifestyle."

Who does not have ears that can hear! Haha! Gossip, it is such vanity. These ones who have never sought the Truth, yet cannot find themselves. This vanity of the vain, how they preen! Yet the gossips are so weak, they follow signs and symbols so easily. All chattering, more and more because they do not have ears that hear. So spin the patterns about their heads! These are not men of understanding and they do not seek to be. This is on their heads. They are not women of understanding either. Nor are they children of understanding.

For you see, effeminates are somewhere inbetween! So they do not have the answers. The crybabies that are not babies. The women who are not women. The blurred, the pseudo-men....who are not men!

9/11/2004 3:15 PM  
mynym said...

"With the sick attitude...."

The dis-ease can become a disease but not the other way around. How absurd...who's pattern of thought is off, off, off?

"I don't think..."

Now there is honesty, in the word patterns....that is honest. So, you do not think. So you have nothing to say. Yet you keep writing anyway....

"...there are any women who would put up with the emotional abuse..."

Do you feeeel you can feeeel, feelings? You know not what abuse is or is not for you have no use for the most basic signs. The excuse is the abuse. Who cannot read the simple of the signs that even babes know? Those who refuse to read them. Those who refuse, they are the abusers. The Holy Spirit faces violent opposition from vain and mediocre minds, the ones with the bloody hands because they feeeel and will not think. They will be the abusers, yet seek paths and images to say they are the Victims!

"After the last beating, she said to me: 'Look at you.
Everyone's going to think you're the victim'."
(The Guardian (London)
October 19, 1998
The Guardian Features Page; Pg. 8
Silent partners.
Byline: Mel Steel)

Silence! That is what those with the bloody hands want. Yet they shall not recieve it.

"It is sad and scary at the same time."

How does that make you feeel? Are you sad? Are you scared? Does your little tummy start to feeeel a little tight when you read patterns, signs and symbols that get close to the Truth, the Word? You can turn away and go the way you are going, to where you are going. You have so many opportunities. He gives and gives and gives, for He gives and forgives.

I tell you the truth, even if everyone had something that said "Made by Jesus." stamped on their butt they still would not believe such a basic sign if it got in the way of what they felt. They would deny it if it meant they could not go with their feeeelings. They would say, "Mommmy, me scared! Me disturbed!" Others would say, what are these strange signs, why there, huh, huh, huh? Those who turn away into a Legion of excuses. "I can't read it. I am a mental retard...perhaps it is written by aliens....run for your life! Me scared!"

The cold toads would say, "Do not read it. For the butt, it is the unclean!" And then they would hop, hop, hop, away....


The great irony of it all? These who so desperately want to feeeel good above the Truth. They are the ones who feeeel terrible inside.

But I feel fine. I am joyful!

9/11/2004 3:38 PM  
mynym said...

"With the sick attitude that he has towards women..."

Will the occult come into the light? Will it make its case in the living Logos and the light? Haha! Of course it will not. Come out, come out wherever you are!

So, what made Solomon sing? A parable of the Adams, one a creature of the earth, the earthling and the Other its Maker.

One day a Man said, "I think I will make a mini-me." He will be like Me but very, very mini, a tiny little one, like Me...but in mini. Then this mini-me will have me to talk to and it will be nice for him. I like to make such nice things, so I will make him. And so, He made Himself a tiny little mini. He was like that, making things. He also made Himself many other nice things but left something out. Now He and the mini had some conversations about many things, things, things. For He had made many nice things.

One day, the mini-him said, "I noticed something after naming everything, you know!" But He just laughed...then said, "What is that?" And he replied, "Well, after the first couple of course I noticed." He laughed again, He liked to laugh. But then He said, "Oh...alright." So He made the mini-him go to sleep and then split the mini-him in two so he was a couple too.

Later...the mini-him woke up and said, "What happened?" But the Man just said, "Whoa, man!" I am the Maker and what I make IS good! Then the mini-him said, "Whoa, Man! You are right." And the Man said, "Of course I am. I always am right. I am that, I am! Every jot and tittle is always just so." And the mini-him said, "Yes, every tittle..." But then a voice said, "Don't you both have work to do?"

And they replied, "Oh, right!" The mini-him said, "Wait, she talks too?" The Man, He just laughed....and as He walked away He said, "You can get to know her." He laughed and thought, "Now this code, is just a little harder! Hehe..."

9/11/2004 3:59 PM  
mynym said...

Well since I have some time, this is for any atheist who happens along. For these are often those whose gift of thinking is being turned against itself and so away from the Mind of God. If you want to understand the patterns of evil that you hate. You see, some people actually have no idea what Nazi thought patterns are other than, "Duuude, I watched Schindler's List once!" "Why do I have to be a Nazi It's just not nice!" They are not very knowledgable. They have vain imaginations....yet, the patterns of images and thought patterns, they match other patterns, time and again. Happenstance? No, you can't just make the patterns up to fit whatever you want. Try it and you'll see. Someone will come along and say, "What about..." For stupidity, is but a pretense for most people.

One image, "I see you as..." enter vain imagination, exterminating the "vermin," that's an obvious one for anyone with basic knowledge.

Generally, focusing on pictures, how nice, pictures that say what? Not much...just to go back into feeeelings, for "....greater emotional involvement."
(Say It with Pictures
Doris A. Graber
Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science, Vol. 546, The Media and Politics. (Jul., 1996), pp. 85-96)

Avoid the Word and Truth...but what can pictures be used to say eventually? There is a whole symbolic system that can be established if someone does not come along and nip rotten fruit in the bud. Smash the patterns....it seems virtually no one has had the eyes to see this. So they think, "It's not nice." But it is truly nice to do what must be done.

Now as to this Jayson J, fella. Many false patterns of feelings and so on flow from him. Things of this type.

"...sick attitude...."

"...mental health status..."

And so on. He is very far down with the sickness. Notice the subtle shifts to "say" without saying that a spiritual/mental state IS itself a poison, a toxin, a thing to be elimated physically, perhaps with bloody hands. But it is not something to be fought spiritually as the Holy Spirit fights. One day far out in the future (I hope.) perhaps something will begin to happen in the American Republic. Perhaps, something will be found physically in the brain of all the people the patterns of images apply to, the "narrow minded," "rigid," "Bible thumping," "attacking victimizers," "Big Meanies," "zealots," "prideful," "intolerant,"....going right on through the whole pattern of vain imaginations to "vermin that must be exterminated." It takes a while for the weak one to just get to the mucking point sometimes.

Then, those who are vain in their imaginations will try to manifest it all out. These cowards, always as bundles of sticks. And if it ever happens I hope that my children's children, wherever or whenever such things may all manifests out one day, put a bullet in their fascist heads.

These patterns are the total opposite of Christianity in which the Word/spiritual IS the cure for dis-ease and disease. The One, He seeks to save all from this, even those who try to kill Him. But as it is written, there are some who will not be saved.

One more example, it is the shift from thinking about biology and the mind thinking THROUGH the brain to inversion, "biological thinking." That is not thinking at all, you know. I.e. the body becoming all there is and fanatics "losing their minds." Why, when they could be saved? I do not know.

E.g. of the inversion where feeelings become the anti-thought, the anti-Word, killing the Word:
"Our whole cultural life for decades has been more or less under the influence of biological thinking, as it was begun particularly around the middle of the last century, by the teachings of Darwin, Mendel, and Galton and afterwards has been advanced by the studies of Ploetz, Schallmeyer, Correns, de Vries, Tschermak, Baur, Riidin, Fischer, Lenz, and others. Though it took decades before the courage was found, on the basis of the initial findings of the natural sciences, to carry on a systematic study of heredity, the progress of the teaching and its application to man could not be delayed any more. It was recognized that the natural laws discovered for plants and animals ought also to be valid for man, and this could fully and completely be confirmed during the last three decades both through family research (Familienforschung) and through the study of bastards and twins."
(Max Weinreich, Hitler's Proffessors: The
Part of Scholarship in Germany's Crimes
against the Jewish People. (New York:
The Yiddish Scientific Institute, 1946) :33)

Yet, there is such great hope for all of us when we rely on and seek paths to help the Mind of God drag us up, up! There can be such a divine inspiration instead of the banality of evil. It lacks imagination, just vain imaginations. It takes the Name, in vain. That is why it is difficult for me to understand why any seek paths to choose it. Strange! Yet, I do understand what some seek to stand on. I know what is under them and it is not a firm foundation, not at all.

He did not curse Nature because He is cruel. He only cursed that which is cursed in it. That which has made its home in it and causes dis-ease, disease and ultimately death. But He is totally pure. He makes only good things. He is turning it on its head even now, winning! He does this even as He makes a new place too.

What did Jayson say, that no one had ever become His follower because of an argument. Now that is stoooopid! Utterly stooopid...and so I will keep on uttering why it is. Perhaps I will write some letters sometime called, Letters to the Herdians.

The writers of the Bible never kept things all secret, signs and symbols are meant to be read!

9/11/2004 7:56 PM  
mynym said...

A letter to the Herdians...

There are those who feeel they believe in loooove but they do not believe in true Love. The Herdians...they just make love but abort true Love. All the chatter of loooove, the chatter of these gossips, it is not Romance. It is not the same dance at all. But love is something that can be made. You can make love. Just as you can make friends. But when they just make love, they just make a mess. They know not of what must be sought and found. The One who must be sought and found. You cannot just make the Maker in your own vain little image, such vanity! Let us make a bonfire of them with the flame of righteousness.

The dance of Romance, it is one of those Things that must be sought and found, not made. Those who try to make looove and pretend it is the Romance, just make a mess. Dis-ease, disease and death stalk the path of those who are unconcerned with true Love. The Truth is not with them. A whole highschool has been wiped out by dis-ease and diseases they did not even know they had at the time. How many times must it happen? Many cannot know because they have no understanding. The cold toads, they have known for some time now. They have some understanding. They do not tell! These scientists hide the truth and instead try to make medical "treatments" for dis-ease as well as disease. Why? The more diagnoses the more money and power flows to the cold toads. But their diagnosis for dollars is all wrong, wrong. Perhaps one day, these scientists who make an alliance with the State for power and money, they will not be content with "treating" the youth of the nation but will also come for you in their white lab coats to offer "treatment." Yet when you refuse they will say you have a sick attitude and offer "treatment" of that too! How nice they are. How nice these therapizers are. How about a cup of coffee, is it the cure? For you are sick to disagree with them. It is just for your own good, you know. These therapizers, they know what is good for you. They are nice so how could it be otherwise? After all, those who are wise in their own I/eyes cannot see the Other who is wise.

Some who are not just cold toadies and are still concerned with the Truth, do speak forth. Yet, the writers in the press are socialists and they seek paths to silence the Word, again and again. Do they even care that the youth of the nation are dying?

Maybe....or not "really," for they are this thing called objective, you know. They make their image. So they must be nice too!

9/12/2004 12:03 PM  
Anonymous said...

Hey Mynym? What's going on? You know more than half the posts here are from you. Are you talking to anyone, cuz you are no longer having a conversation. It’s more just a you typing your thoughts down on this website? Don't worry though, I didn't really read any of them, I know what they say. Everyone knows what they say. It’s nothing new; it’s your normal routine. That’s cool, everyone has a routine; we people, are made up of many habitual actions. Just to be redundant, your posts all say the same thing every time. I found this quote from someone named Lincoln, in response to you on another blogger site:

"Whereas you (Mynym) spin politics, healthcare and virtually everything else under the the sun into a vacuous, if not dodgy, metaphysical commentary, then connect up a series of progressively ridiculous claims until which point you reach some ascendant plateau and God - as you seem to think - affirms all your reasoning as "truth".

Oh yes, yet another escalation into the absurd courtesy of Mynym. Nothing new."

This is true. You are not relative to the subject matter, everything you say is going to be most likely absurd. Thus, since the entertainment factor of reading you posts, has ended, you are ignored. You have become like Charlie brown’s teacher, just blah blah blah, a chattering in the background. So maybe you could come back and have a true conversation with people, I would welcome that and the band probably would also, but that I do not believe will happen anytime soon or does anyone else.

Childish

Ps – I will probably not read any of your responses, Mynym, if you do indeed respond.

9/12/2004 8:15 PM  
Anonymous said...

I will read them Mynym. I wish I had a way to sharpen my iron, having always been rejected by one "herd" or another. The truth sounds like a much better way to pursue contentment. These people don't understand.
-nobody

9/13/2004 7:08 AM  
Anonymous said...

i rather follow the herd and chew my own cud, then follow a megalomaniac in seacher for this so called "truth."

"Hey megalomaniac
You're no Jesus
Yeah,yeah you're no f%#@king Elvis
Wash your hand clean of yourself baby
Maniac, step down, step down"
-incubus

9/13/2004 1:05 PM  
mynym said...

"...we people, are made up of many habitual actions."

Sounds like a description of animals to me! But of course it is...

Do you know how to seek divine inspiration, how it is done? Did you even know that it can be done? No, you know not what the Mind of God is like, the Beautiful Mind! And so, it is little wonder that you do not reach for Him. The Herd is not able to speak in parables. Then, it is not able to speak at all! The banality of evil, it is so banal.

The Herd has not the eyes that see and instead needs some oxymoronic "look machine." More mentally retarded words, yet another oxymoron of the moronic, the blind who lead the blind. They need a machine to try to see again. Something has been eating away at their I(s), their eyes. Mental retards feeel a look machine could be the cure to return to what once was, lost wonder. Do I wonder what is lost? No, I know what is lost because I only wonder at signs, then begin reading them. These are simple. But the Herd cannot get a read on me. For one thing, they are talking to the hand.

They cannot speak in aphorisms, only in the oxymoronic nonsense of the Herd, vanity. They make no sense, just nonsense. Like so: mental health, sick attitudes....these are not the words of those who have sought and found the Mind of God!

"Just to be redundant, your posts all say the same thing every time. I found this quote from someone named Lincoln...."

Just to be redundant...you are talking to the hand! If the same thing is being said then why have you no reply to what is said?

Lincoln...a gay activist, that is appropriate beyond your vain imaginations, effeminates. Did you know that? That is the sort of fascist authority of the bundle of sticks on the transcendent, all these sticks, they stick together quite closely. They seek each other. They seek and find more and more sticks. They loooove each other but do not seek the One. Are they even individuals, dualistic, indivisible? Do they even truly love each other, these sons of Cain, this fraternity? No. For they abuse and kill each other too.

Perhaps next time Herdians can cite an abortionist's mind, allies with the bloody, bloody hands. I have many enemies but many allies too. And I have come across no mind that is more dead, dead, dead in the head. Perhaps it can match your own too! You speak into it and just listen for the echoes. That is all that seems to be there. There seems to be no remnant. It is as if there is nothing there to save!

The Herdians, for all their feeeelings are the ones who left their bare butts bare. The emblem of their embarassment is written by their own hands. What do these bared butts mean, this embarrassment? Do they have "Made by Jesus." stamped on them or has this been seared away? Here is the way the emblems read, ".....Jesus. Something...I uh, eh, I am a nice guy." Always the nice guys! The cops come and arrest someone and all the neighbors say, "How surprising, why I always thought he was such a nice guy!" But a Soul Searcher would know...

Read the emblems, embarassments, for the bared butts have meaning. But they are ugly. Why are they not covered!

9/13/2004 5:06 PM  
mynym said...

"These people don't understand."

But I will show you what they seek to stand on! And in defining it for what it is I can point up, up too. You point up and it defines the down too.

I understand the Herdians because I almost was one, a little. Do not worry about being rejected by the Herdians, scorned. Let them eat cake! For later, they begin to starve. But I know you in-tellers, the meek. You intellectuals, inherit the earth! We peacemakers who fight the fight, are similar to you. Do not worry, it is after highschool, there where the tribalistic Herdians rule in all their vanity and vain glory. The tribes do not last, then the meek are those who inherit the earth.

But do not forget that the peacemakers who fight the spiritual war need your help! Hmmm, these Herdian minds, they look like junior high to me! These little boys. Just how old are they? Their time seems to have gone, slipping through their fingers. It is like that if you do not invest your talents wisely. They do not invest wisely. When you do not invest, you do not get more.

Then there is letting sin, win. I will write a little something about this for you. So that you might save your gifts. For sin, it destroys them.

9/13/2004 5:22 PM  
Anonymous said...

What is the meaning of life?

9/13/2004 5:34 PM  
Anonymous said...

oh sorry... were you saying something megalomaniac? cuz all i heard is blah blah blah...... you are no longer a source of entertainment or amusement, which is all you ever were, and is the very best you could hope to ever acheive. so blah blah blah right back at you.

childish

9/13/2004 5:35 PM  
mynym said...

Now, once upone a time everyone was vegetarians. Yes, it is true. This leaves its echoes in the souls. The longing for a natural harmony of what once was, is in many. It is true, no bloody hands! There were many good things, so many things the Maker made. There were many, many good verses that made up the Universe, all trailing back to the Mind of God, the One.

Things were designed to evolve upwards, not degenerate. That was not the design. But there was this being who had just gotten his spirit smashed who was degenerating. His evil thought had been this, "Why can't I be the One." And with that, he was done, degenerating. He tried to think, "Is that not a good thought? The One is good, what is wrong with wanting to be him!" Yet, he was smashed down because he was wrong, not right. It was the One who said what is right, not him. He managed to drag many beings with him. But on his way down he fell into a little garden that the One was making. He came into a tree. Now, the One saw him there and thought, "Him again....Well, I will just tell my little gardeners not to eat of that tree. They love me."

(I will finish this later. I have to leave! Sorry. No time, you know.)

Later, dudes!

Later to the Herdians too...haha...there are more tattle tails, the tales do tell on the Herdians!

The in-tellers, they might know this.

9/13/2004 5:37 PM  
mynym said...

"...then follow a megalomaniac..."

You don't have to follow me. Duh, huh...dopey dope.

Talking to the hand, dude...you're talking to the hand!

Gotta go, later dudes!

9/13/2004 5:39 PM  
mynym said...

"In their diabolically inspired, charismatic role, such demoniacs bear a startling, if superficial, resemblance to prophetic female saints...."

What does incubus bring?

"...feelings of despair, unshakable guilt, temptations to blasphemy, suicidal thoughts, and terrifying visions—all symptoms of what we would now call depressive ill- ness."
(Possessed by the Spirit: Devout Women, Demoniacs, and the Apostolic Life in the Thirteenth Century
By Barbara Newman
Speculum, Vol. 73, No. 3. (Jul., 1998), pp. 733-770)

The simple fact of the "matter" is that brain illnesses cannot cause any more complexity, more complex thoughts. It does not cause intelligence or anything like it.

So what, exactly, could be causing anti-thoughts such as doubt, fear, despair, that are often rather complex patterns/symbols themselves, even if chaotic ones? Hmmmm? How do you judge a thought, do you know? Who has understanding, let them speak! Who is righteous?

One of these days I'm going to take this whole pathetic Herd by the tail, give them a little twirl above my head and throw ALL that is of the occult into the light! I have not yet. I pity the Herd, that's why. Look at them as they utter, "Me sad." "Me scared." The feeelings will come against them even stronger as the light shines brighter, brighter.

Take them at their words, they are sad, scared, fearful, "My tummy hurts now but before it was all nice! I was a nice guy." Oh, they probably blame the Light for illuminating. The feeelings come stronger and stronger, you know. Turn away, do not look at the light! But they always were what they are because He is what He is. They were becoming dead in the head all along. He will not accept evil. He will not accept the incubus. That is all there is to it. Why not? Is not the incubus nice? Look at how the bundles of sticks seek, find and what do they find! Incubus? No, it is the symbol of the rapist. Perhaps the Herdians who form fraternities of brotherly loooove know? They are always such nice guys too, you know. Of the women the nice guys rape, few speak. For the young woman is being crushed under the doubt and fear of incubus.

Silence!

Again.

Ah, you will not have it from me, though. You who are cursed, are cursed. Do the righteous feeeel your fears? Haha! That's why you don't let sin win, so it doesn't get all inside you and your children, in your legacy. You are out of your little league, little boys. I have more and more tricks up my sleeves than you can know. I tell you the truth, invest your talents wisely! But you do not. You will not. Pity the Herd...

9/13/2004 8:04 PM  
mynym said...

"...the emergence of a charismatic female spirituality—converge to account for many of the novel pronouncements and actions ascribed to demoniacs....

At the same time, the new abundance and detail of the sources permit a more thorough, if necessarily anecdotal, exploration of the understanding and management of mental illness within the newly urban ized society of the Low Countries." (Ib.)

You see the trick, "mental illness." Now, what is a mental illness? But enough with the incubus, he just got his head bashed in. Back to the story...

9/13/2004 8:06 PM  
mynym said...

....Well, I will just tell my little gardeners not to eat of that tree. They love me."

That was the tree that by "happenstance" came to be the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Why would anyone want to know the dis-ease? Who knows, ask the demoniacs. But on with the story....

But something also came to be in a serpent and what was in the serpent came to Eve. This thing did what it has been doing ever since to spread its own dis-ease. It sssaid, "Does the Word really say?"

"Loooook, look at the fruit, is it not pleasing the the eye? Loook at the image of it. It must be good because it looks good."

"You know what the intents and motivations of the Author of the Word really are?"

"The Man, he is just trying to keep you down. He does not want you to know! You could be like Him, His equal."

"Looook, look at the image of me again!"

Now, along this path Eve could have broken the pattern. But she did not. Adam did not either, he listened. She took every step along it. Adam remained silent as she did so. He just listened and watched.

So they both ate something they should not have eaten. It went all in them and through them, the dis-ease. It was breaking them down already. The words out of Adams mouth when the One sought him out from his occult hiding place were, "Me afraid!"

And I think the One was very sad at that. Now, Adam was afraid of Him, you see. And that wasn't the worst of it. The One was no Big Meanie looking to deny them anything at all. Yet He knew they must not eat of the tree of His own Life now. For then, they would live in their own dying and disease forever.

But the Maker did not just give up on them. He started thinking of making something good again.

-------

I will write some more of the story later. All these theological jotters and tittlers, they just don't get it.

But I tell you the truth, if I was saying, "I have found some ancient texts of goat-herders. They seem to be talking about extraterrestrials! They match other ancient texts too. This is amazing!" Everyone would be saying, "What? Where? When? Show me the evidence of the extraterrestrials!"

But since it is extracosmosial beings that exists here and now, plus mom and pop already said something about God and stuff, plus believeing it is "really" true might impact how you live your "real" life, etc., then they don't want to know.

It's that last thing, especially. They see on the horizon that they might not be able to do whatever they feeeel like anymore. The irony....the Word protects from the feeelings of dis-ease and the manifestation of disease!

Ah, well.

Later dudes!

9/13/2004 8:26 PM  
mynym said...

"What is the meaning of life?"

The meaning of life is the Essence of life.

Do you understand some? Do you know that your own question contains the Answer?

But only if you ask it honestly.

9/13/2004 8:28 PM  
Anonymous said...

speak up i can'r hear you. cuz it again just sounded like blah blah blah. you're no longer funny or entertaining, and you were never enlightening. so this is my farewell to you Mynym. if you were to bring something to the table other than your normal shit, i would continue to converse, but i see you never will. cya ya, ( for old time sake) you bastard :-)


childish

9/14/2004 4:51 PM  
mynym said...

"It again just sounded like blah blah blah."

To all of the Herdians who say this type of thing, "I am not reading." It is unfornate for them to speak such lies. You see, when people take part of the anti-Word, i.e. lie, then they are bound up in it. So someone lies and says they are not reading. Then, they cannot read and they misread things, cannot understand at all. They are bound up by the spirit of their own lies, you see. Then they try to read...then think, "I cannot understand!" Why can't they understand things that observers might think, "But that is so simple!" They have come to be bound up by their own lies. That is why.

But you can take even a liar at their anti-words, symbols, if you know how. Take them and crush, crush, crush, the patterns of lies in their little heads. Only those who already have spiritual understanding will see this and be strengthened by the spiritual trouncing, then laugh! Haha...peacemaking, it is fun! Yet, it is unfortunate that liars just keep on lying. Then, they are bound by their own lies and keep heading downward to where the Liar lies in wait. For he is hungry.

He is not the Giver who gives, for He gives, forgives. Ironic, people turn away and then wonder why they sense no forgiveness, no mercy, no relationship with the Holy Spirit, no conversations with Him.

Well, you turned away. Duh!

To those who lie, a second parable....

The parable of the even more vain white Southerner:

Now, there was a second Southerner who was friends with the first. He was even more vain than the first. He wore a big whig. He thought he was a big whig. He read some abolitionists pamphlets and thought, "How intolerant of our way of life, why do they not try to see things from our side?" Then, he read other pamphlets about the latest scientific findings about slaves. He thought, "See how open-minded I am. I read the science of things. For you see, science proves that slaves are inferior."
.....

9/15/2004 5:07 PM  
mynym said...

Oopsy, started reading something else, where was I. Something about dainty hands....you know, if you get the flame of righteousness too close to some stinky feet, the whole place could go up in flames! That would stink!

But anyway,

"See how open-minded I am. I read the science of things. For you see, science proves that slaves are inferior." Then, with his dainty, dainty hands which had some dainty gloves on them he took a sip of wine. He thought, "There now, that is settled. Look at how nice I am to care for my slaves." Then he picked up the abolitionist's pamphlets and thought, "What religious zealots, trying to control me." Then he threw them in the fireplace. He turned and walked back to his chair to read something else. He opened a letter and read that his vain friend had died. He said, "Oh no, that's not nice!" But one of the pages of the pamphlets he had thrown in the fire blew back out. In fact, it had caught the carpets on fire. And the flame licked up to his big whig! It was actually quite flammable! He died in the fire. The slaves which he thought he treated so nicely, they ran away to freedom.

Upon the top of the page which had burned the house of the unrighteous down were written the words of the abolitionist: The Truth shall set you free!

Vengeance is His! Well, everything else is too. It is His garden and we are His gardeners after all. What, did you feeel you could make mercy and grace greater than vengeance and justice? How depressing...and when you are pressed down, do not be surprised. You pressed your Self down! The justice of this Poet, His is poetic justice is sweeet. Everyone will get their just desserts. But some seek to have something else eat their cake.

They will get their just desserts too but it will not taste sweet.

9/15/2004 5:47 PM  
mynym said...

"Wisdom calls aloud in the street, she raises her voice in the public squares..."
Proverbs 1:20

Something was hidden from me! Father, Son and Holy Ghost....Hmmm. Do you know what was hidden? That which is hidden, by men! No wonder they are not men of understanding. Then there is no wonder. None of that which is wonderful.

If you talk to the Holy Ghost, you will know! Seek and find....someone is very proud of the pure One. But you are sinning. You do not rely on the pure One in the first place.

Just know this, the pure One's Spirit will not contend with man's sin forever! Your sins, they have meaning.

9/15/2004 6:06 PM  
mynym said...

Why can't someone have a normal conversation. Always thinkin' and stuff, and that's just hard! Wit and wisdom, it just gives a headache. What is a normal conversation to Herdians or Toadians, the mental retards. Well, let's not get into that. Perhaps some Herdians should meet some Toadians, for they are opposites. Probably not, just make a mess, at any rate, all conversations are about God. Did you not know this?

How about a football game....

Men get together and define the rules and symbols, they make the Matrix of the grid of Iron, the rules. Rules of Iron! Now, no man must violate the rules of the gridiron. For if they do, a penalty for those who broke the law! Justice is served upon them. Or instant replay...a written record, it is convenient!

What does this look like, put some flesh on the dry bones of the law, in a story.

Then men meet on the grid of iron, iron! They all know the rules and lines. What lines to cross and what not to. They were taught them. Who will seek to bend them? The weaker of them? Will they be caught?

Tweet, tweet! Someone has been caught, he was offsides. For this wretch was not on his side but the other side. He says, "I just wanted to see things that side, man." But no one listens to his excuse! For he had violated the law. He was off his own side. Just which side was he playing for, anyway? The men on his side look at him. Hmmm. One whispers, "Somehow, he just looks like he wants to play for the other side." Another says, "Yeah, I thought he was a little too nice with the pats on the butt all the time!" This law breaker and blurrer! Now he must see things from the side again, the side line. So he goes of the grid of iron, iron! The offense tries to move down the field but the good guy's side intercepts their offensive attempt. It is all turned on its head by a very fast good guy! He runs down the field, faking them all out. He has not broken the law with his interception, not at all! So he runs, he scores!

And the cloud of witnesses all around watching the good guys tackle and the fast runner, go wild! They especially liked the fake outs and smashed heads. Hehe...funny!

But the Toadians, they do not go so wild. For being wild, that is animalistic. So they are cautious, for being wild, that is impure, impure!

9/16/2004 6:48 PM  
mynym said...

Or, a normal moooovie.....Herdians, they like the mooovies. It is the only way to be moooved anymore, most likely.

Once upon a time there was a Lion King, a King of kings. Then, he had a son. But there was another lion in the family who prowled about with a ravenous hunger. He was a scarface. He was so because he had already lost a battle, you see. He was the weak and becoming the weaker. He knew it. His words blurred together a bit and his wrist went a bit limp sometimes. But he used his blurred words to try to lead the son away from his father. He was never actually successful in this. But he did a lot of damage. The Lion King's son sought the will of his father anyway and saw him in the heavens, as his heavenly father. He knew what to do. When all hope seemed lost the son of the Lion came back to the scene and battled the scarfaced one. All hope seemed lost in the battle too...but he overcame again and won.

Then, life returned to what it once was.

For the scarface had been trying to say that a circle was a square. But a circle, is a circle....

Some patterns, they sell well.

9/16/2004 6:56 PM  
mynym said...

"...the table other than your normal shit..."

Is excrement normal or abnormal? Look at yourself, trying to follow a lincoln log, the bundle of sticks. Do you know what he does with excrement? He told me so, unawares, as usual. Let's just say that the old testament prophets did not call things detestable for no reason! And the old testament....well, there is nothing new under the sun spiritually. All that is new is under the son, now.

Do you know that honest Abe cut down the logs and made a log cabin?

But a parable about honest Abe, this moderate. Yes, he was a moderate who the abolitionists, right wing zealots had to light the flame of rightousness under. Look at the ones who whine about the current moderate though. Whine, whine, whine! What have they done to help? Have they lit the fire? No, it is the opposite pattern. Instead, a peon has flooded this place with the milk from his very own tittles to put the flame out! Hold the flame of righteousness higher now, men, higher! Then, get out the flame thrower of righteousness and vaporize this sour milk. For it curdles and turns to cheese. And who wants to cut the cheese with iron? For that would stink. Vaporize the sour false milk first, then no cheese to cut later, you know.

9/16/2004 7:04 PM  
mynym said...

Honest Abe...

Now Abe, he really was honest. He tried to be. But he was under a spiritual attack, crushing doubt and despair. As a young man, he had let sin in. When you do that, sin starts to win later too. And so he was weakened, a moderate, all about the union, union, union. Now, the abolitionists, they were all about justice. So even a little lady had more jots than honest Abe. Like the other abolitionists she wrote some things about jots. But she knew how to put some flesh on the dry bones, you know. This is a powerful thing to do. She and the abolitionists lit the flame of righteousness and the nation started to burn! As well it should have.

Now, one day honest Abe met her. And he said, "So you are the little lady who started this big war?"

But she saw the laughter behind his sad eyes, no accusation. For he was thanking her. Some moderates need the flame of righteousness to be lit under their butts. They know it too. They are just tired, tired. They try to fight. But they have been beaten down, attacked by something they know not. But it is something that they want burned too! So they are happy to see it go up in flames, sometimes secretly. They will not stand publicly.

What could a moderate do with fiery supporters, hmmm? But the weak men, they just whine their littany of excuses. They fail to do what is right, just as they always have in all things. Then they whine that no one is being righteous enough for them. If only someone where righteous enough...

Of course no one is righteous enough. Not when they are elected by a slim, slim margin. Duh! So let's just let the evil man win, then.

"Plato says that from the exaggerated license which people call liberty, tyrants spring up as from a root...and that at last such liberty reduces a nation to slavery. Everything in excess is changed into its opposite...For out of such an ungoverned populace one is usually chosen as a leader...someone bold and unscrupulous...who curries favor with the people by giving them other men's property. To such a man....the protection of public office is given, and continually renewed. He...emerges as a tyrant over the very people who raised him to power."
--Cicero (De republica, i, 2.)

9/16/2004 7:21 PM  
mynym said...

“If you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”

A parable about words, in the mouths of the mealy mouthed men, lisping, girlie men! Haha...

Once upon a time there was an Indian who learned things from the shaman. Now, he found himself disagreeing with the shaman about some things. He thought, "This just does not seem right to me. It does not match what I know." So he argued about the totem poles and which animals where in it and the why and how of how things were done in the tribe. Now the shaman he became tired of this for he was uninterested in it. All he wanted to do was to say, "Dancing about the fire and having sex with women. This is good. Now smoke peace pipe..." But the Indian did not listen, instead he went into the wilderness and up a mountain. He went up and up. He came to a cave. He looked down and saw his tribe. He stayed there a long time. It seemed that when he needed food some birds sometimes came and dropped berries. He did not need very much though. He was thinking, thinking through things. Then he found what seemed to have been leading him along all the time. So this is why he disagreed with the shaman! So he went back down and began telling his tribe about the Great Spirit. A few listened, most did not....and eventually the story came to be changed some, lost a little, a sky god instead. And so on. But at the end of his life this sage actually heard the truth, in his own mind. He had the ears to hear. And he said, "Ah, He is good!"

Now, at this same time there lived in England another man. He heard the truth every Sunday in church. Other than that he went to dance halls and had sex with prostitutes. He sometimes mumbled, "Forgive me...mercy and grace, mercy and grace..." just as he had been taught. He thought he was a nice guy. He wondered why the bar girls cried sometimes though, after they thought he was asleep. Eventually, he quit going to church altogether. He thought, "Well, the Lord forgives." He drank too much and ate too much. He came to be diseased from this eventually. As he lay on the hospital bed dying from his own diseases he said, "Jesus is Lord..."

But he did not hear an answer. For he had never wanted to.

Oh yeah, he had dainty hands...sort of like a girlie man. I forgot that part of the story, a distraction occurred!

Hehe..

Later doooods.

9/16/2004 7:36 PM  
Anonymous said...

I just spent an hour and a half reading this shit. What a waste of time. I can't decide if I should be more upset at what's being said on here or just disapointed in myself for reading it.

9/17/2004 2:29 AM  
mynym said...

"I just spent an hour and a half reading this shit."

The Word is far from excrement. He is not physical. Yet, there is nothing unholy and inherently wrong about excrement. Dust to dust, you know...but what is inbetween? Life, this is what all people care about. Life. Yes, even Hitler cared he was just perverted. In his vain imaginations he had the feeeling he was caring for the health of the nation and so on. But the remnants of his own soul were there. He knew his own dis-ease some still, the vast degenerate impurity of and in his own God damned Self. He did things like cutting one of his own jots off. Queer thing to do, isn't it. One scholar says, "I just can't understand it. What in the world?" Odd....and oh, is it ever odd. Odd indeed, but some things are not in the world. What in the world? Nothing. If you are asking the wrong questions you don't get the answers, you see.

"What a waste of time."

If you do not want to waste time then partake of rythm and rhyme, for they save time. There is One who can always arrive just in the nick in time. No one can know the time lest the son of the morning light prepare.

"I can't decide if I should be more upset at what's being said on here or just disapointed in myself for reading it."

So you are upset and disappointed with your stooopid self. As well you probably should be, little one. You could just trust the One, all along. If you are indecisive then you will not be able to agree with the most basic signs and designs. Men and women are different? How upsetting! Yet, it is not. You see, it was Hitler who cut one of his own jots off because he was driven to be upset about something. But that is not normal. What is normal is to admit that men and women are complementary beings by design.

The occult will call such basic truths excrement, which leaves Herdians at this position: It is all made up. How then? By "sick attitudes" and so on...

E.g.
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains,"
-- Adolf Hitler, 13 December 1941.

But the occult goes silent, for it is too obvious. These elementary truths and so on. Even babes know them! Haha...

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves
now into a struggle with the Churches."
-- Adolf Hitler, 14 October 1941

But to Jeb and other intellectuals who say, "That looks evil. Do not lump me in!" I say this. These Herdians and others around groups of the same around the nation, if they ever all were to rise up and manifest out their vain imaginations about exterminate the vermin, etc., if this were ever to happen you would be swept before them like chaff in the wind! For you have nothing to lean on and there is no difference between the occult's spiritual monism and your very own monism. This is the same old denial of the Trinity, denial of God, you see. If such a day were to come in this Republic as it did in the Weimar Republic you can look back and say, "In my youth, I read a warning once. Me sad..." Your naturalistic monism will be shattered.

"Within the system of the concentration camp something very strange took place. The first to give in, the first
to collaborate--to save their lives--were the intellectuals, the liberals, the humanists, the professors of sociology, and the like. Because suddenly their whole concept of the universe broke down. They had nothing to lean on."
(Elie Wiesel, "Talking and Writing and Keeping Silent," in The German Church Struggle and the Holocaust, ed. Franklin H. Littell and Hubert G. Locke (Detroit: Wayne State Univ. Press, 1974) :271) (See also: Richard L. Rubenstein "Some Perspectives on Religious Faith After Auschwitz. Ibid: 256-268)

Do you see how the Herdians keep saying the same things on the same crass level, over and over and over? It might have to do with the sons of the morning light, little serpents from the sky and this sort of thing. So why am I here? To make an example of Nazis, toy with them, weaken their vain imaginations, bash them about, kick their butts and learn some things from the usual whining, that's all. Take a mind in your hand and squeeeeze, learn its dark little secrets. Who knows, some might turn from their wicked ways and so on. Even Nazis...

Besides, the cloud of witnesses likes to see some heads get bashed! Haha.

What of causing the weak to stumble and this sort of thing? This is exactly the pattern of the Herdians. They cause the youth, the weaker to stumble. This is always in reference to the physical vs. the mental/spiritual. I seek to lift up to the spiritual, up the mountain. They crush down and cause little ones to stumble. These who do this, it would be better for them if they were crushed under stones and thrown into the sea. Or maybe a big garbage crusher...for they are trying to crush something very precious.

9/17/2004 4:50 PM  
Anonymous said...

Hello - is my hair totally red or what? YYYIIIPPPPEEEE!! Woe to you sinners!!!!

11/10/2004 6:04 AM  

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