the Look Machine abhors Nazism
Just in case there is any confusion as a result of a certain commentor on our weblog, I wanted all regulars and newcomers here to know that, to a man, the Look Machine abhors the beliefs and actions of the Nazi movement, and all similiar groups.
Why and how? Well the reasons should be obvious, but just to be clear. . .
The central beliefs of Nazism were:
-- Racism * Especially anti-Semitism, which eventually culminated in the Holocaust.from NationMaster.com
* Anti-Slavism
* Belief in the superiority of the German and Aryan/Nordic races.
the Look Machine does not subscribe to the any kind of racism, and finds it absolutely disgusting. We believe in the equality of all humans, as they are all created by God, and due the dignity inherent to being created in the image of God. We believe that there is only one race -- the human race. We believe we are called to love our neighbors as ourselves.
I personally know and love many Jewish people, and have a great respect and reverence for their culture and heritage. I support Israel's right to have their own homeland, and to defend that homeland.
-- Euthanasia and Eugenics with respect to "Racial Hygiene"from NationMaster.com
the Look Machine is pro-life. Though this position may not be considered politically savvy in this current climate, we do not believe that there is such a thing as "lesser" lives that should or can be ended. We believe that regardless of sex, health, age (this includes too old or pre-birth age), race, or handicap a human life needs to be preserved. We strenously argue against those who would attempt to create a climate where the ending of any human life is acceptable. We are equally angered by those terrorists who have co-opted the pro-life movement and defined it by torturing women and shooting doctors in the back.
-- Anti-Marxism, Anti-Communism, Anti-Bolshevism
the Look Machine is not communist. . . so yeah on this one I guess we agree with Nazism. As does every other non-communist nation. However, even though we are not communist, we do recognize that pure capitalism is not the answer to proper distribution of wealth and care for the world's poor. We believe that great care should be taken to prevent the exploitation of the weaker ones in this world. Pure capitalism fails here.
-- The denial of democracy, with as a consequence the ending the existence of political parties, labour unions, and free press.
We affirm democracy as an imperfect yet workable solution to the governance of human affairs. We recognize that a democracy is only as strong as the people who partake in it, yet this is both a flaw and a great asset to the system. It is better than despotism, monarchism, or communism. Additionally, we see the need for labor unions to protect the workers against the potential avarice of the owners. And free press is one of the most cherished rights of a free and strong nation.
-- F hrerprinzip/belief in the leader (Responsibility up the ranks, and authority down the ranks.)
A leader serves. This is a foundational belief of Christianity, one that we all subscribe to. A leader is a servant of his or her nation, NOT the other way around. We firmly reject any notion that a free people should unquestioningly support their leader. A hallmark of a free, strong nation is free and strong dissent. In any endeavor where I personally lead, I actively discourage blind following. Accordingly, I will question Bush's lack of responsibility-taking for the torture in Iraq. A human that demands unconditional following is a despot, not a servant.
-- Social Darwinism
Social Darwinism applies Darwin's evolutionary theory -- particularly "survival of the fittest" -- to social policy. Cropping up in the writings of such authors as Spencer and Malthus, it basically argues that a population will eventually outgrow it's resources (food, land, water, jobs, etc) and at this point it's healthy and inevitable that the strong thrive while the weak perish. While this may be a cold physical reality in a world devoid of ethics or spirit, we believe that Christian charges to take care of the poor, the sick, the imprisoned, the widows and the orphans among us are 100% antithetical to accepting this as an allowing outcome. We reject Social Darwinism, instead believing in the charge to care for the weaker among us.
-- Defence of Blood and Land (German: "Blut und Boden" - represented by the red and black colors in the Nazi flag)
We do not believe in the protection of "German blood," nor in any kind of "Uberman Blood" that need to be protected against infection from "lesser races." We do not believe in German Romanticism's concept of the strongs' imperative to dominate the weak as expressed in the writings of Nietzsche and the music of Wagner, among others. We do not believe in an "Uberman" at all. We reject such absurd thoughts and claims outright.
We affirm the right of different humans to marry and procreate, even if not of the exact same racial heritage. We do believe that a nation and its people have a right to defend their borders and their destiny against those who would seek to change these things forceably. Yet such a right does not allow a nation to imperialistically attack its neighbors as the Nazis did.
My apologies if this is kind of a "ok? why are you writing this? kind of post. . ." but I wanted to make clear that we in no way support Nazism in any shape or form it would take, and actively work to fight against the dangerous beliefs that they held.
61 Comments:
Do you have a statement of what you believe in or anyting? that would be kinda interesting to tack on the end perhaps... just a thought... God bless! I'll pray you guys do great tomorrow!!!
That's good. Knowledge of words and the Word is good.
If you are men of understanding, then throw the whole first album in the trash because it contains a Nazi type of spirituality/pattern. How can someone "fix" a whole pattern of Anti-meaning doubt and questioning building up in order to ultimately kill Meaning, silence the Word?
This spirituality/mentality of it does not matter? Of course it does, spirituality/mentality becomes matter! You think, you move your hand. Your hand does not move your thought/spirit, unless you are a pagan bound up by matter and the Prince of this world. This band sucks and is going no place, so then it does not matter? Of course it still matters. Is a song sung, just dung? No, that is why people pay so much money for the spirit/message in things A pattern, a meaning or phrase "stuck" in the youth of the nation's mind does more than you know. How much more! The youth do not know what is there? Of course, Word vs anti-word, something is there still for pagans, guiding them along. They know, without being truly aware. They lose their sense of the sensuous.
Look at your patterns/meaning and how they are built. What they build. I am not about jots and tittles, saying hell or damn. He is not about that either.
I do respect the church bands that just go from church to church, isolated, all jots and tittles in place. But I wonder, are they all conservatives living in basements? Intolerant? They do not seek out demons and invite them in their minds? Oh, no...no demons!? Perhaps some are a little too cheery, they isolate themselves. Are they really so weak as to not even engage evil and wage war with it? This is not how I invested my talent and became good at it. Yet these are fine distinctions of those who are actually brothers in Christ, you see.
David, the simple fact of the matter is that the "Look Machine" that cannot see just as all machines cannot is probably just going to lay down in its own blind patterns/spirituality. Too much work and all that, the tee-shirts have been made and the album cut. Spirituality becomes matter, mindsets become brainsets....difficult to change all that. What a headache! Of course it is. Tough. What a fight too. Yet the Herd devotes their meager thoughts to fighting me personally instead. Now that just is not winnable, in either case. I am smarter, yes. You waste your effort here.
So David, you are in the position of offering your talents in the service of evil spirituality with "nice friends." Evil, that's what the spirituality is in its essence. It bears its rotten fruit too, as physical/existential evidence. It is what it is. I tell you the truth, no good comes of such spirituality. Just as the Herd should shake the dust from its hooves and flee evil, you should too.
Then perhaps strengthened by some very nice wisdom and milk, come back and engage in the war. For once you know the signs and symbols of it, they are as nothing to you! You can use them as you please in service of the good. Long hair? Short hair? Uncircumcised? Circumcised? These symbols only have a binding meaning/spirituality to the pagans. Only these who take them on not "really" knowing their spirit are subject. Yes, they are subject. Also, meaning is difficult to truly know. The weak, they should not do what they know not.
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A parable,
Once upon a time there was a father who loved his daughter, very, very much. He thought, "I love her so much. I will try to let her do as she wishes. I will give her good gifts, provide for her." So that is what he did. Now, she was a nice girl. She had nice friends. She had a nice boyfriend. They drank to get drunk sometimes. They did some drugs. These things can be nice too, so what of it. The father thought, "It is nice that she has nice friends and nice things. See how I have provided for my beautiful daughter."
Then his daughter began to get some piercings and things. Then one day she got a tattoo too. The father did not like this too much but could not figure out why. He looked at the tattoo of an animal and thought, "I can't quite say what is wrong. Why did she do that?"
The symbol looked like a mark of a beast.
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He who has understanding, let him speak. Are you men of understanding?
I have other things to be doing fellas. After all, if you try to get out the Word and let Him change a writer or scientists mind then how many books and textbooks have you helped change? Then how many minds?
I cannot play ring around the rosy with these little Herdian minds forever. Perhaps months from now the Word that revolves in the mind will change something but most likely some mentally retarded anti-word anti-argument will come up. Excuses, vain imaginations, they are Legion. I will not be here for it. If you found this to be drawn out. I was drawing, drawing something out, drawing it out with its dead eyes, bloody hands and vain glory, to destroy it. For Nazis cannot admit their own spirituality these days, which is good. Nor did they in the past either, though. If you found it to be destructive, my aim is to destroy something. Did you not know?
I will check messages here, until Tuesday. The Herd is tiresome although I am not tired, they seem intent on being mentally retarded, stooopid. What I am curious about is who ultimately sits at the head of the Herd? Who is the charismatic leader?
David, we'll have to have a little talky talk sometime, I suppose. Then, you can go your own way.
Later!
"Nazism in any shape or form it would take..."
Except the first album?
;-)
Later!
"Yet the Herd devotes their meager thoughts to fighting me personally instead. Now that just is not winnable, in either case. I am smarter, yes. You waste your effort here."
Wow, you're a cocky one! Just hope that no one challenges you in anything other than... that.
"Pride goeth before a fall."
"He who humbles himself will be exalted, and he who exalts himself... will be humbled."
~GOD
Moooooooo.
Ok... I went to the concert and you guys did a great job :-) CD is good, thanks for the pins :-) Have a blessed week! :-D
Yes, Great show! I loved the new song (of course), and all the songs were awesome played under that beautiful blue sky. Good job, guys!
Ok.... just thought I'd say/ask a couple things b4 studying... 1) Look Machine etc. I love you guys and thank God for you... same thing goes for you MyNym, whether or not we agree on everything :-) 2) Would you guys pray for me? I've got a test in psych on mon. and a quiz and a test in bio on tues... thanks!! (anything I can pray for for you guys???)
If theLookMachinism was a philosophical society, I would totally be a card-carrying member. Seriously, I think most of us can easily agree about the ideas Jason expressed in this post. I also know that you don't mess with Jason Latshaw when it comes to philosphy and ideology.
In other news, I am so glad I got to see you guys play today. Something else we can all agree on; you guys rock!
A few things here...
First, I have read and agree with the statements that Jason posted. It is a shame that we should ever have to set the record streight on such asinine claims as those previously made. But what's done is done.
Second, David - I would like to say that if you ever need to bow out of your position as the Look Machine's drummer for any reason at all, I would not think any less of you. I admire your abilities as a musician. I am and always will be proud to call you my friend. I will respect any decision you have to make.
Bands come and go, but family is forever and it certainly ranks above rock music in terms of priorities. If you have to break ties with us to salvage certain relationships, then I wouldn't dream of standing in your way. That being said, I sincerely hope that it doesn't come to that. I love rockin' out with you and it would be a crying shame to see you go. Just know that I'll back you whatever decision you think is best. I am sorry that I am saying this in a public setting, but I believe that is the best way when you consider the circumstances. Your Brother seems to think that we intend to lead people astray. I want my opinion about your decision to be made clear in this way so that he doesn't think we are trying to talk you into staying. This decision has to be entirely yours.
Third, MyNym, please email me or call me by tomorrow night (collin@thelookmachine.com (610) 869-7113). You obviously have a quarrel with me. Let's settle it like Matthew 18:15 says "If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over." I would like to emphasize the part that says..."just between the two of you" We have told yo multiple times that the weblog is not a place to fight and confront. That is why we have not addressed your continuous accusations. If you have a problem with me, then it is your responsibility to address that responsibly. Likewise, if you have a problem with Jason, Ian, Isaiah, or David, deal with it accordingly. You have my info. The ball is in your court.
If you have a problem with the band (you seem to have many of them) then maybe you could come to our next practice and we could all discuss it. I do not wish to have any quarrels with you.
Goodnight,
Collin
Mynym don't rise to their level. Don't confront them in person, don't go to their practice, call them, or talk to your brother in person...no, that would to be dumb, and take too much guts or courage. Besides, the real world is a sccccarrryyyyy place. So i suggest that you hide behind your computer and your "smarter" understandings and words, as you have always done. That’s the way to do it. Good job lil buddy.
el guapo
ps - my translation (NGV) of MT 18:15, says (i'm paraphrasing) something like show him his fault, just between the broadside of your foot and his behind." I'm not sure if that's exactly how it goes or not, but you know me, i'm just trying to help out.
Mynym don't raise to their level. Don't confront them in person, don't go to their practice, don't call them, or talk to your brother in person... no, that would to be dumb, and take too much character and courage. Besides, the real world is a sccccarrryyyyy place. So i suggest that you keep on hiding behind your computer and your "smarter" understandings and words. That’s the way to do it.
el guapo
ps - my translation (NGV) of MT 18:15, says (i'm paraphrasing) something like "show him his fault, just between the broadside of your foot and his behind." I'm not sure if that's exactly how it goes or not, but you know me, i'm just trying to help out.
Where can I purchase this New Guapo Version?
Mynym, I think you coming to our next practice is a really good idea. It would be good to sit down and talk through things.
How loving?
"Wow, you're a cocky one!"
The Herd has said that I am just too smart for them to meet in the Word.
I take the Herd by its collective word. Why shouldn't I, they all stick together. One problem, they are a collection of liars. How so? Their words are meaningless, generally. This is the pattern, meaningless words of anti-meaning. That is lying. How do you talk to liars whose words are in a constant state of shift? You have them write the words down, that's how. Also, there is no need for you to repeat the same mentally retarded arguments again about meet and greet. I have argued with people's whose words shift in the meet and greet. There is no way of "seeing" what is said, the eyes that see. So, you come to some vague agreement, you feeel. Tomorrow, they are mental retards at it again. You come to some vague agreement again. Then, they are mental retards again.
Here is what you can do, go back through the words and actually see their spiritual/mental meaning. The occult/hidden spirituality is Nazi. Did I say a word about Nazi actions or policies? All I said of this was that already some are seeking paths to manifest it out by voting for Greens.
I dreamed a dream, here is what the Herd sees. For they will see virtually nothing of what I just said. If you wonder, dear objective reader who understands that the mental is not the physical, circles are not squares, etc., why they just can't spiritually/mentally "get it."
But of course, we could make friends in person. Meet and greet, no one even knows there is a disagreement sometimes because they can't see what it said. So they agree to disagree. In agreeing to disagree you will agree with the disagreeable. I have no interest in doing so. Perhaps later, after you've thought about some things for a while.
So...I dreamed a dream, here is what the Herd sees.
First, simple signs and symbols and to this I say, "Yes, it is so easy to come to an understanding of that. How stooopid that anyone can't see it!"
Then, more complex signs and symbols that look like, hieroglyphs then, "...stooopid...." then, hieroglyphs then, "....Nazis....." then, hieroglyphs.
Then, signs and symbols that are all of complex hieroglyphs, signs that cannot be read.
Then, a voice laughs.
I and I feel, "Me stooopid too."
But not this stoooopid, to be reduced to the level of the Beast.
Example:
"If you don't like it, don't worry about it -- this was more a meaning that emerged later on for me, not the original one. I like it, you don't have to. "
This is once again the level of the Beast, "Me like." "Me no like."
The Truth, the Word, has been thoroughly killed by the anti-word, anti-truth. So I say, think about things for a while and come back a few months later. You know what the ancient prophets did? They went to a mountain top with no food and their mind left their bodies just a little more, etc. Then, they came back down knowing the Law, the Minds of God. So, take some raman noodles sometime you're going back to Nature and think THROUGH things, think through your very self.
I am uninterested in some song lyrics, you know. You speak forth publicly as prophets. You have been answered. As I said, I will come back one more day. You see, the peacemaker makes the terms of the peace agreement. To make the peace, you have to fight for it.
I have learned a lot from you guys. But you would take it as an insult for me to say how. Let me just say, you have helped a peacemaker. So thanks. I will ansewr some other things here. And be back one more time tomorrow...
Later.
"...intend to lead people astray."
I did not say that you intend to. I said that's what you are doing as a matter of Truth. That is what you are doing. If you are frightened by the fact that you "Know not what you do." perhaps you should be. I do understand that you may know not what you do.
I did not say you sinned against me personally, either. So you can stop repeating that, if you like. I will not be here soon, as a said. You can repeat it once more then. Your art, your political judgments and so on are not my personal affairs. They are public. They have been met publicly as they should be. That's what free speech is free for. Wise guys, they did it.
Also, I said a mentality/spirituality was evil. It is. It is what it is. This can be proven. It has been proven. It can be proven again. But I am about through with it. I learned a lot from this pattern of thought. I will tell you that. I did not say you have bloody hands indeed. I did not say you necessarily manifest physical evil now. The fact is, thoughts do go with deeds, though. Already, you try to vote that way, etc.
I said a while back, if people do not believe their very own prophetic voice then there is probably nothing they will believe. Their own words are emptied of true meaning, you see. There is nothing there. It is useless to talk to them. I have tried to put the meaning back in by setting it in stone here, placing it down in history, etc. All in the light of day where thoughts can be looked at with the prophetic eyes that see.
You see, you need to think, think, think, write your artistic vision down. Then manifest it. You can't just embrace the dramatic. Because then, you become a fanatic. I think you have prophetic talent. If you invest it poorly, do not expect to get much more. It's like you just bury, bury it. Some have more to bury, others less....see.
I did not begin with all that much. I always had some talent. Yet, I have been given more. It has to do with just stop sinning, too. Whatever it is, lust, gluttony, etc. You know what sin is, the Degenerate one. He is not nice, either. He destroys you. He takes away talents, too.
Someone said they agree with everything the Look Machine stands for. This is the same person who said I hate everything they stand for. I did not know they were pretty much right at the time. It is the anti-stand, the anti-understanding. I love wisdom you see. I love her very much and she brings with her understanding.
In contrast, here is the level of the Beast, the Anti-Christ:
"Me like."
"Me no like."
That is it. No Truth...and with that Herdians are guided about as a Herd. Yes, I hate that. I want to see you as sons of God becoming men of God, like the Man. As I said, I will be leaving soon. I have minds to change, evil to weaken! Symbols and signs to make...
Minds, they have this way of changing when confronted by the Word, no matter what they try to do. Hehe! I think that your minds might. But those who deal in the occult tread close to the unforgivable sin. Just be careful...think about it. Think about what it is, why it is. I'll try to help you think one more time, tomorrow.
Dreamy dreams and wordy words! Set the Word in stone, in the light!
Later.
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Have it your way... as long as you are really gone by tomorrow, it makes no difference to me how that happens.
Isaiah 53:6
We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Are we a herd? Hm... maybe... I know I for one have gone astray... but the Lord Jesus Christ took away my sins and I am grateful for that... do I still sin sometimes? Yeah... but God forgives me still. (Isn't God AWESOME?!?!?!?!?!)If Christ is my shepherd then I'm grateful to be in HIS flock.
1 Corinthians 13:1
If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
Are you speaking in love? You decide. It does not appear to me however that talking about kicking someone's butt is very loving and scriptural... Or saying that we are a stupid herd that follows every whim of what people say, etc. All of us are at fault. ALL of us are sinners, fallen and broken. (Isn't it wonderful how He gathers the pieces and molds us and loves us anyway?) If your intentions are to bring glory to the Father and His children closer to Him, then I applaud your intentions and at the same time suggest you examine your delivery.
Ephesians 4:15
Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.
2 Timothy 3:16-17
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
You remain in my prayers.
Second, David - I would like to say that if you ever need to bow out of your position as the Look Machine's drummer for any reason at all, I would not think any less of you. I admire your abilities as a musician. I am and always will be proud to call you my friend. I will respect any decision you have to make.
There's no way I want to leave the Look Machine. You guys are some of the nicest funniest guys I've met (and that's a good thing, not a bad thing like my brother says hehe). Sure I don't agree with you guys on all the little points of theology, but when it comes down to the nitty gritty importent stuff, I know we believe the same things. I just wish my brother could see that too. I think he has taken a lot of lerics totally out of context and twisted words (and been rude and insulting too). Don't worry though, we're not going at each others throats whenever we see each other or anything like that. He's my brother and always will be. Being in the band is not driving me away from my family.
Besides, I know that if I did leave (which like I said I have absolutely no intentions of doing), you guys would get signed, start selling millions of albums, and tour all over the world. That would just not be cool to miss out on.
That first part of my post was supposed to be in quotes.
On a totally different note, I just wanted to make sure you guys knew that I havn't been checking my email for awhile. My computer is dead and I havn't gotten around to fixing it. Jason or Collin could one of you send me the setup info so I can get it running on this computer?
Send it to Drummer1341@yahoo.com.
Thanks
MyNym,
One final thing before you leave to "crack other skulls." I know that you say you are trying to do the right thing. I also know that you say you try to live according to the Bible. Well, I thought that I would help you in your endeavors. here are some things to keep in mind for your next cyber interactions. Everyone else, sorry this is so long, but someone has to say this.
James 3:13-18
" Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such "wisdom" does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice."
(this part is especially important in the current situation) "But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness."
Matthew 22:36-40
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
So... Jesus Said Love is the most important thing... In fact, he IS love. 1 John 4:7-8... "Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."
The very meaning of the word "Christian" is Little Christ. Thus you, by being a Christian, are supposed to BE love. What is love? The Bible defines that too.
1cor13:4-5. "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs."
A couple of verses earlier says this, "If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing."
You yourself said a couple of months ago that you lean too heavily on the law and not enough on love. I would just like to point out that because of that tendency, much of the truth that you have espoused has been overshadowed by your insults and accusations. I know that you are not one to put any stock in feelings, but that is the problem here. Your feelings of anger, rejection and insecurity are more prominent than Truth in your writings. You, by giving NO credibility to feelings, have overlooked your own entirely and allowed them to taint your work. You mock the "Nice ones" yet ... "Love is kind."
I strongly encourage you... If you honestly do want to serve the God you claim to, then take these things to heart. I promise you, if you do, you will find better reception elsewhere and see greater results.
Collin
Thanks Collin, that was a great post.
Thanks for keeping that fairly (if not completely) insult free! It is nice to see that we can still communicate :-) Good post with good points. Kudos.
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goooood bye
"Thanks for keeping that fairly (if not completely) insult free!"
Actually, I am telling people that they have spiritual problems that have a spiritual solution, up, up. That is not an insult. That is an idea that is a cure to dis-ease. I have little, if any of the dis-ease anymore. I am joyful. Collin, he sees that something has been sublimated by grace and says, "His writing is about sublimating bad feelings." Exactly! So when the Herd attacks and say that the only reason I would say something is that I have some bad feelings like hatred, it gets turned on its head. This can be done, again, again, again. Grace, He is like that! Hehe. So I do not accept the judgment of hatred that had nothing to do with anything. Sublimate it instead and say, "Yeah, that has all the ethical content of the Jerry Springer show, Don't be hatin'! You just jealous!" And so on. Hehe. It is true, that is exactly the Herdian level. The Herd, they are all nice to each other in general. Pagans, they generally love their neighbor enough to be nice for the most part. Until they get arrested for something, of course.
Now Collin, he says that I have some physical feelings like anger, doubt, sickness or what have you. Therapizin' again, they just can't resist it! Hehe. That's right, I'm not supposed to be the one laughing. "Me angry!" Hehe. Isn't it all about my feeeelings? It must be, it must be! Because, that's all it's about for him.
But anyway, this is actually an insult in the sense of an attack on the person and not the spiritual/mental side of things. It would not be accepted in basic philosophy nor much else but psychologizin'. And the psychologizers, they're telling you more about how they feel then about how you feel. This is the way of it. It is actually the same evil sort of attack that there has always been. Behold, the banality of it! I will tell you how it goes some more.
So Collin the nice therapizer, says to another person that the person is angry, doubtful or has a sick attitude. Because, they disagree with Collin or cause him bad feelings, basically. It's not about Truth but only looove, after all. Now, if the other person does not have their spiritual armor on this will be successful against them and they will begin to feeeel the same dis-ease, just as Collin does when confronted with the Truth. They will feel angry begin to doubt and so on. It goes right into the little tummy. It is existential. It is physical, not spiritual.
However, I do just so happen to have some spiritual armor that I am secure in! Imagine that, if you still can. And so, I do not accept into myself the helpful, (Oh how helpful the helpmate is! Wait a minute...) diagnosis and begin to get angry, doubt, insecurity, etc. He thinks if I just stopped writing and letting the Word naturally define the dis-ease then that means his own Dis-ease doesn't exist. Censorship, fascism, etc, comes of this pattern. If the Word goes silent then he's not wrong about anything, etc. Then, no more bad feelings like that! However, bad feelings are of the Dis-ease, not the Cure. So, I reject them. Collin, he seems to wallow in bad feelings and spread them around as a defense mechanism if confronted as a matter of transcendent spiritual Truth. That which is non-physical. How did Ian put it too, he seemd to say, "We enjoy suffering from feelings. Why do you not?" Well, do not blame the One for this! You know not His vast grace that sublimates, as far as I can tell. I do not enjoy bad feelings. So, I reject them, by grace I am saved from them, see. So every time the attack is made based on some vain imaginations and demonic influences it is turned on its head to something good. Exterminate the vermin would be a bit of a downer to most people, yet, turn it as an opportunity to attain wisdom.
I know what those who have sought and found a certain type of lack of judgment are actually anti-saying, things of the anti-word. So you just take the attempts to put their dis-ease in you and sublimate it by grace. I will explain how this works some. About the Word and the Tower of Babel....
"It is nice to see that we can still communicate."
Just so you know trying to put anger, anti-love and so one in someone who is not angry is an attempt to silence, not communicate. If you let being told you are unloving, hateful, etc., begin to make you so then you will lose, see. I have already won here time and again as anyone but mental retards can see. So, I will not become angry on the last day. Then, they can all say how hateful, angry, intolerant, insecure, short penised and so on I was to avoid actually reading the Word. It is such a shallow victory to stand with the anti-word, after all. The Word will echo about in their mentally retarded minds no matter what anyway, causing them not to be so retarded. For slaves of the ultimate Retard, I understand them and trace all their little thoughts to the end points. Here are some of them, "Me like you." "Me no like you." That is all any ivory tower being built upon mud can say at the root of it.
It's the one with the Grace who you can't trace out!
"I think he has taken a lot of lerics totally out of context..."
Then you should have said so back when it was an issue. Too late now, yet obviously this was about more than some song lyrics. I do hope that wisdom drains the spirituality/mentality right on out of such sung songs. The knowledge of what is being sung about is like that.
Listen carefully....some young men sing His judgment down upon their own heads! I am glad they are not famous because the message is of the Anti-message. This is why the Anti-Christ defeats himself in some ways. He denies the One, do not testify, do not, do not build civilizatoin, etc. a denial of the Truth and then he tries to be the Truth. He cannot. Once you say words have no true meaning you cannot actually say anything other than grunt, "Me like." or grunt, "Me no like."
Tower of babel:
The thing about the tower of babel is that they wanted to be as the Beings. This is the same old, old, very ancient sin of the ultimate prodigal son of the morning light and all his followers. Many minds follow him. Yet the One also has a whole heavenly host too. These patterns of thought, they trace back. Grace is the fact that you can trace the son of the morning light but the One cannot be. This is His grace. This graceful dancer of patterns, every step in place. He can lay His intelligence down somehow and die into death, anger, fear, doubt, then put His own Mind together again. His existence is His own essence. This Son, he does not rebel against His father. He writes His own Code. The law and the prophets are symbols and codes too, often based on some very simple wisdom that comes from the mouths of babes. This is stated in poetry. Many a metaphor, for the metaphysical, so the tower of babel also comes to be a symbol of Babylon, evil. The blurry degenerating son of the morning light captured in a symbol, again, see. The Christian mythos, symbols and signs, is by the Father, the Mother and ultimately by the grace of the graceful Dancer. They are the only mythos that actually fit basic knowledge and also go much farther. Do you hate Evil? If you do, you will love them.
Waters, they can be as a raging flood that smothers all. Yet now they are streams of living waters, Holy waters for baptism, still waters that heal. There was some type of actual flood, all ancient stories speak of it. The symbols fit again, is this why I believe that it is true? Well, I have been led along to think so, so yes. This sense of what is fitting, time and again. When something is fitting, you know it. This can be something you seek and find. Then, you look back on it and think about destiny. Who can read a book through a nick in time. How you still have to write your part. How you have to run the race and the impact how you run echoes both in time and in the eternity you know not. But before then just drink the milk that even babes can know, then find a Talmudic scholar and philosopher who knew every jot and tittle, see. You cannot understand what such a sage of his age is saying, if you do not begin by drinking some milk. For dry bones, they need the calcium. Also, even adults like a glass sometimes, you know. You will not understand what a sage of any age is saying if you do not drink the milk first, basic wisdom first. What sage of the West will meet the sages of the East? Who would have thought a Hindu sage would have the eyes that see? But sages from the east already did, did they not?
As far as Babylon and babeling that demoniacs are always babeling about, now the Word should be unified so that people can be what they were always designed to be in relation to the Minds and in relation to little minds that bear the same pattern. In Christ, this is accomplished. In His Truth you can speak the tongue of philosophers, artists, psychologists and so on. In the end, you realize that any tongue does fail. This is by grace, an infinite intelligence that goes on before. You who want to eat the steak of mercy and grace first, you are weakened by this. This is a lack of judgment. You do realize that when you say, "I am wrong." you still think that you are right about being wrong? We gardeners, we always think we are right. You are like little babies who do not know there is so much more. You say you are wrong but believe you are right. This is why when I put the meaning back in your own words, you object! You say, "Do not use so many words." Less words are used and you say, "I cannot understand." What you need to understand is that you do not want to understand and apparently never have. To seek the understanding when you say, "I am evil." you have to actually believe it. Instead, you use words as if they are meaningless. One little one says, "I am but a little one. Do not hold me accountable for my words and thoughts." I say that is fine, fine, as it is. It is quite fine! Yet someone just has to say, "The little one is not little. He is a man, similar to a sage of the age." This is speaking lies in anti-love. Then, how will little ones know when they are men? Words without meaning...then, they can never know, never seek and find. These nice guys who feel they are
so, so nice. Their preening vanity destroys. The stench of their vanity rises to heaven. The Word, He will not be mocked by lies told for the sake vanity. Are you so, so right? No. This is why you take such pride in being wrong feeling that this is humility. You are not right, not righteous. You need mercy beyond what you know and so cannot even begin to understand grace which is infinite intelligence. The grace of the graceful Dancer who dances through the patterns and untwists the twisted. When He comes alive again the first part of the dance is to define the blurry one who is not the One. Then, sqeeeeeeze, the
untwist....
This is why you don't even know the words to define evil anymore. The words themselves must be blurred away, a vagrant becomes home-less, like Jesus or somethin'. A young man blinded by vanity becomes a nice guy. A glutton becomes one who is fat by some happenstance. A lustful man becomes one who just likes women. A greedy man becomes one who is successful at business. A narcissist/psychologist becomes one who cares about others. And so on.
Let us take vanity and sublimate it with grace. Define it as vanity. Define it, define it and begin to show it is evil. Then untwist it. The nice young man, he does want to be nice. This is good. The son of the morning light always has to be perverting something, see. This is the tricky trick of grace! So
the nice guy must be told how to be truly nice, the what and how of how to be truly nice. Now, if the nice young man just keeps on being vain, vain to
the point of being insane and just another servant of the anti-word. Then just define him as what he is. You have to make an example to have an
example. Sometimes, the little serpents from the sky, they win, see. As it is written, if you make an alliance with them they will win your mind. As I
came to realize this relatively simple fact, I began to stop sinning so that my mind could be on the winning side all the time. I like to win because I like
the Winner. I come to the point of hating Evil because I like the Good Guy. If you are greedy, you will be blinded by it. If you are a glutton, you will
be blinded by it. If you lust, you will be blinded by it. And so on.
Take lust, sublimate it by grace, vaporizing it and turning it into something higher, a love poem. The graceful Dancer, He creates. His solution to the Degenerate one? More creating....He is like that. Let's look at the Degenerate and his influence on speech. Again, again, again. So trace it back. Animals, they still communicate some. They are degenerating though, going extinct, eating each other alive. The Dis-ease came into them first. Build it back up to what once was. Animals, they used to communicate in complex ways that humans could understand too. The tongue that humans spoke to speak with the Father, what was it? Such things, they are far beyond our meager little groping minds by now. By grace, you can go back to them some!
It would be nice, wouldn't it:
Fido says,
"Me need bathrooom now."
You say, "Okay."
"Look me puppies, me proud!"
You say, "Yes, good little dog!"
Fido says, "Me like wife."
"Yeah, sure seems like you do, little guy."
"Me like you too!"
Dogs still do communicate some still, after all. But Fido, he was not created in the patterns of God, see. Nothing too complex for Fido, complex tongue, that is God talk. Fido, he was kind of like the youth of today. These Herds. This thinkin' stuff, it's just hard! So they just let someone like me do their thinking for them and then say I'm prideful, etc. Now by grace and infinite intelligence this can be done. Even the maker takes rests sometimes too, see. I am not tired now. There is more. More that you do not want to know. More that you do not want to see. Because, some of it will define you as evil. So, you turn away instead. I am quite content to let the dead in the head bury the dead as He suggests.
But you have been quite a tiresome lot often enough, evil, evil minds, they are like that. There is something or other about your minds that is very, very evil. It is "nice" and subtle, more subtle than a dead in the head abortionist mind and so on. It is not even really the usual Herdian mind. It is more subtle than that, vain imaginations and so on.
But all of those who serve the Beast, here is their mind at the end point:
"Me like."
"Me no like."
Know this, youth, the greedy man wants to see your mind reduced to this pathetic state. A tower of subtle babelings can be built on top of this but that's all there is under it, the Beast, the Degenerate.
They want to reduce you to sell you things, see. They know not what they do. They think they're just sellin' stuff. Schools, they educate. Those who have eyes, let them see. I really wish they would all see, you see. But I am also content to let the dead in the head bury their dead as civilization declines once more and the anti-word takes over. I am now being born again and again. Shall I sin, just to kick his sorry butt? Of course not....besides, all these evil minds were quite tiresome enough often. I would rather dance with the average atheist than this subtle, subtle evil. But by grace, you can find some infinite intelligence. I thought, "Let me just start making some eyes somehow!" And in some sense, I can do so more and more, now.
"...I would meet with the most outlandish assertions from seemingly educated and intelligent persons. It was obvious that they were parroting some piece of nonsense
they had heard on the radio or read in the newspapers.
Sometimes one was tempted to say as much, but on such occasions one was met with such a stare of incredulity,
such a shock of silence, as if one had blasphemed the Almighty, that one realized how useless it was even to
try to make contact with a mind which had become warped
and for whom the facts of life had become..." what peopel with a "cynical disregard for truth, said they were."
(The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany. William L. Shirer. (Simon and Schuster) 1990 :247-48)
The Law and the Prophets, in contrast, are just the basic facts of life. Like, men are men and women are women. This is a "sick attitude" cloaking sexual perversion to some people who did away with focusing on Truth long ago, though.
"[Sade] immediately relativizes, personalizes, narcissizes the idea of justice. He makes it into a human structure riddled with egotistical and contradictory impulses...."
(Original Vengeance: Politics, Anthropology,
and the French Enlightenment
Pierre Saint-Amand
Eighteenth-Century Studies, Vol. 26, No.
3. (Spring, 1993), pp. 399-417)
I'm just showing, these patterns of dealing with the Truth go way back before Nazism. What that means is justice and Truth are interpreted to mean the speaker has feelings. "He hate." "He insecure." And so on. The issue of Truth done away with by anti-truth, then sadists are ruled by their own feelings. Is it good, bad, ugly, evil...."whatever."
MyNym, It seams as though you can't face it when someone confronts you with truth that does not match the guise you have built up as "TRUTH" in your own mind. Time and time again, people on this blog have confronted you with logic and scripture that suggest your attitudes and tactics are wrong, and you never directly address them. You would rather say "go nurse a baby back to health" than actually deal with the fact that you are out of line. I have now come to see that you refuse to consider any opinion besides your own (which, by the way, is subjective), thus, I am done talking with you for now. It is like talking to a wall whose echos distort what was said. I really do think that you should seek some help.
By the way, with this line...
"Collin, he seems to wallow in bad feelings and spread them around as a defense mechanism if confronted as a matter of transcendent spiritual Truth."
you betray that you know NOTHING of who I am. People who know me describe me as one of the happiest people in the world. I have friends who literally rack their brains to think of something that is wrong with my life. It is not that I never have problems or challenges, it is that I choose to live my entire life in a state of joy. So you can keep pretending that you know me and continue to argue against imaginary person. Have fun.
"Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom."
So you say I live a bad physical life, do bad physical deeds in pride and do not have wisdom? There is the distinction between the spiritual and the physical, again.
You have some vain imagination about me and abuse the Book to get to it, somehow or other. That is all. Another in type: The Book says the Jews did the bad physical deed of killing Christ. So the Jewish influence must go...this is a type of abuse of the Book. You do not know how I live. It's a non-issue.
Your mental retardation and therapizin' seems to cause you all to focus on physical things and feelings, never the spiritual. Then, all you can do is insult based on personal physically based attacks personal attacks, crass and crude as it can get, too. Attacking a spirit, an idea, is not a personal attack, see. But the opposite seems to be all you can do, really. It is what you did to every daughter of Eve who was of the Book. Nice but just subtle therapizing like they have emotional problems, sickness and so on. Then, you put your own dis-ease in them and spread it. You tell the people who disagree there must be something physically wrong and seek to hurt their physical feelings by doing so. Physically based attacks by nature must focus on physical characteristics, feelings, physical deeds, etc.
Now, you have no idea what my physical deeds are or are not. Nor did you have any idea about theirs. Yet in bigotry, you judge. Well, you are the Victim. I know that is what you feel but this is your lack of judgment, again. I have been trying to get you to make spiritual judgments about spiritual things, like the Word, patterns of thinking, mentality, etc. But since my best guess has to be that you are simply not born again into the spiritual focus, I have to move on. Now there are plenty of nice people who have no spiritual focus. Good bands, too! Yet, often they are evil people. The cops arrest someone and all the neighbors say, "He was such a nice neighbor." It only takes the one time for evil to manifest. The rest, is nice....
Spiritually/mentally, something was wrong and in the words these types of things can be seen and dealt with.
My words have been on a different level, a spiritual level, dealing with the mentality/spirituality of things. I.e. minds, ideas. Once again, the only things I've said about the physical is that you have manifested some of your mentality/spirituality out already.
This band's art and politics, it also represents what has been said here in the words.
Later!
Wait a minute! Now, typically David when your brother in Christ is under pretty much constant physically based personal attacks you should defend them as a spiritual matter of the Word and Truth because you're on the same side spiritually. That is why you would do so.
Many people just give up...because the blind, blind and vain fascist pattern is to attack the speaker or shift but to avoid what is actually said.
So, I am disappointed in you. Yes. I thought you were a stronger man of God than just go along, get along, etc. It is also quite clear that at least some gossiping was done.
I also know there is still iron there too. So that is good. Make your own choices. Go forth, form the world!
Later, dudes!
"you betray that you know NOTHING of who I am."
I know what you just said, therapizin'. You say to me, "You angry." "You feel this." And I say, no I do not. Then sublimate it.
The way you're writing there, looks a lil' angry. You can't hide it too good. Feelings, not always so goodie good perhaps. Now let's deal with the anger ourselves and therapize this! How does that make you feel? I sense anger. You mad? Why dost thou hate me? Me Victim, now...
Why therapiz' when the One is the solution to all this!? Anyhow, that's what I dealt with. So, you live a nice life, do many deedy deeds, according and as defined by none other than you and your own feeling of love about such.
The truth, then love...is the order. Speech defining, then feelings...
Anyway, I dealt with what was said about anger. After therapizin' why go into hiding again behind a nice life and what "everyone thinks," the Herd? If you're going to therapiz' do it! Why doesn't it work? Can you heal yourself with it? If it doesn't work then I do not need it. I am not all angry, that is certain! Hehe.
Well, it's a non-issue. These false views have been dealt with. They are views, not feelings. He says to take Him at His own Word, with good reason. Trust Him, not feelings, then He leads to still waters and nice things later.
As we are through here, I'll see you later. Perhaps, to break out, WAKE UP!, try my suggestion about following the pattern of the prophets of old and the Prophet too! Yeah, they actually hurt their own feelings by not eating and stuff.
Herdians say, Horrors! The Collective borg...no like hurt feelings, assimilate back!
I give it a month or two. It takes a while to start thinkin' for some. Some, they're just stuck in the Herd and never do think on their own, though. They certainly didn't do so here.
Anyway, later!
I didn't say something about the pattern of your entire life, dude. Sheesh.
Re-read.
Perhaps you stick with Herds and never see the Truth at all. I said, what you just did. That is all.
It is a distinctly odd sentiment to say that you simply choose to live your life in joy.
The patterns, they do not match that. Essentially, it can't be true. Those who are barfing stuff up, those who lie when confronted, etc., they are not "choosing" joy.
For one thing, you cannot do it.
I have tried to warn you about this type of thing. That is all. So when you all calm down and think, then maybe you can re-read some stuff. Maybe you can go someplace alone instead of staying in the Herd too much.
And so on.
If you follow the old patterns you are missing out on something, big! I appreciate the fact that you were always attempting to be nice, in your own eyes. It's just that being nice, in your own eyes is not something that defines what it is to be nice.
Sorry, all last words can be your's! I always want to explain...
*BUUUURRRRRPPPP* Mmm.. jakes.
"Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."
Sorry again, I REALLY want to explain something so you can know what you're looking for! It's sad to see you seeking but not finding. God, they are three beings. One is the Father, Mother and Son. They love each other. So, God is love. They still have different patterns in their relationships.
Now, you are more like the Son as men, the Man. He called people white washed sepulchers and spoke of dividing with the sword of Truth. The flame of righteousness burned very, very bright....so it is key to understand that "God" is three beings. One is feminine and the others are masculine. There are other beings of the patterns too.
It is doubtful you will be joyful as men trying to be feminine all the time because that just is not your pattern. You already know it. You seek and find Her, wisdom, pearls to be protected, streams of living waters, holy waters. And so on. This is Her pattern, vast wisdom. Knitting stuff together, perhaps too...
So you take action, seek and find.
You try, try, try to be passive instead. Then you are mad about being victimized by a follower of the Man speaking the Truth. But read the Book and see that my tongue here seems to match patterns well enough. I did not memorize the Book. In fact, I learned by osmosis mostly, absorbing phrases here and there. You know the Man, that is all. You come to know Him very well. He is not all love, all the time.
Yes, the truth can be spoken in love. This is an image of the conception of life itself, see! Life, is the creation of a mind which is a conceptual conception, not a perception.
I reallly just wanted to explain one last time the feminine type of pattern of vast wisdom of the Holy Ghost who the One said he would send in this age. That's what you want, not mommy Nature! And has not wisdom done a good job building up civilization and technology as never before? This association with wisdom is what I did not see before. It is perfectly obvious that God, the three in one has these different elements and patterns of different beings. Out of the mouths of babes, wisdom and beauty:
"Daddy."
"Mommy."
So...seek and find, feelings they are nice sometimes. But it is right in your own design, young men, to seek and find.
I just wanted to make sure you know that you can like the Hero, the One but still have feelings and love after going on through. You do not like me for fitting His pattern, not "loving." But I have come to the point of fitting His pattern more now. He is both the path and guide. If you do not like my words and style/pattern, you might not like Him. But I think you do like Him if you would know that He does not kill the feminine/love or some nonsense.
Sigh.
Okay, I just really wanted to make sure you know you won't lose your Love by trusting the Man who divides and says, "Let the dead bury their dead!" "I come to divide!"
You have some feminine charismatic type of pattern going and more, unfortunately. He is the divisive "intolerant" solution to Sin but you still get Love too!
Just wanted to make sure that wasn't a big worry, sorry! Seek and find...I just really hope and pray you do so.
Sorry again!
Okay, bye now!
glurp.. oh... milkshake came back up on me there.. whew..
i don't know if anybody will read all of that. I sure didn't. It's way too long! Is this all you do with your free time? Is this fun for you? Man... you sure put some effort into it. For real, with all the time you spent here you could have probably written a book. Why don't you write a book?
~Humunculus
There was just a big misunderstanding and huge posts that resulted... I was actually talking about Collin's post when I said about the not insulting etc. (I hope you check this before you sign off altogether...)
God created women... (hence women and feelings aren't bad... it just appeared you were equating them to be somewhat negative.) And yes... God will winnow the chaff from the grain. My God IS a consuming fire. But he IS a God of Love at the same time... He chastens us (chasten correct term?) because he loves us...
Hebrews 12:11
No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
There's a balance... finding it can be the hard part.
(Bible.com rocks... just thought I'd say that)
nazism....i dunno, i think hitler had something with the whole 'book burning' thing...i'd be glad to start with my calculus book... *HEIL*
juuuuuuuuuust kidding....(about the nazi thing...not the burning my calculus book...)
I've got a pre calc book I would be more than happy to throw in with yours, and while we're at it, let's burn geography as well!
Can I burn my psych book there too? Hiya random guitarist...
O.K. Enough hitler crap.
Lets Celebrate the birth of an era. NO MORE MYNYM!!! Good bye and GOOD RIDDENCE. Now we will see if he is a man of his word.
See ya lil buddy (salutes)
I’m been thinking about becoming the neoMynym called yournym, just a thought, but it'll be a lil different. I'll put my own lil twist on it ;-) . much more blunt, no pretext of looking for "truth," just str8 up, good, old fashion name calling. ( example - you bundle of sticks -> old mynym, neomynym -> you queer, pansy good for noting girlie man). It could be tons of fun for all. I call you names and make some fun ( i'm particularly good at this ) and then you respond ( giving me the attention i so dearly need to feel good about myself). then maybe every once in a while we could even have fist fights (which again i'm particularly good at, ask that pansy, sissy boy ian).
Childish (yournym)
This sounds like an excellent plan to me. Let's start off with a fist fight. This time you can't start hugging me and I won't smash your face with my elbow.
dude i was just showing some affection.... then hit me with an elbow, you homophobe. but i was thinking of the time we had a one handed fist fight in your bedroom with 5 witnesses... i rocked you then.....
childish
True... you did beat me with one hand. But what about the time I squeezed all of the breath out of you and made you beg for mercy in front of 5o (disturbed) witnesses.
Was there a shark (dolphin) involved?
MACHO MACHO MEN!!! haha... ow... dislocation eh?
That was like 2 years ago and it still hurts. Sometime I will tell the real story on here. Not Ian's little fairy tale.
then do tell :-D
then do tell :-D
Jason, enough with the dolphin shark stuff man!
childish
true dat ( though it was the only way you won.. i was throwing you around previously)... but what about that time it took your LITTLE brother (though he's bigger than me) to protect you from a through rashing after i slammed you to the ground. he then of course slammed me(NOT THE POINT, YOU ALWAYS BRING THAT UP.. i'm going to be fighting you, not him next time) the point is that i beat you before it happened, i'm pretty sure that now i could take you again (yes, i said what, that's an official challenge)
today you will walk the underworld deaf, dumb, and blind - troy
childish (who gained 7 lbs of muscle since the start of the semester)
ps - mine is bigger also... ha
Ok, you thrashed me that time... I have excuses, like my pants were falling off and I didn't want to moon the whole world by fighting back like crazy... but you know I'll always have excuses. You won, fair and square. Then shane Kicked you butt, I'm not sure that it was fair, but he sure ddid it squarely. So, that just goes to say, Let's fight. I think, honestly that you will win if we wrestle, but boxing is going to be a really good match. No low blows this time.
haha...
yeah again i want to apologize for the low blow... though my thumb did hurt for a day or two afterward
childish - its on
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